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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Michael Marra

David Phillips of the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that

“full fiscal responsibility would likely entail substantial spending cuts or tax rises in Scotland.”

That is some expert advice. Do you agree with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Michael Marra

Are there any meetings planned for this year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Michael Marra

Under its terms of reference, the group is meant to meet four times a year. We are now in mid-May, and it has not met at all this year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Michael Marra

The discussion about negotiations around public pay is useful, because it speaks to a lot of the evidence we have had from the cabinet secretary, which Craig Hoy highlighted. Public pay accounts for more than 50 per cent of the Scottish Government’s expenditure. On a strategic level—and going back to where you started, Dr Hosie, on the transparency of the budget process—the committee has found that part of the challenge is in being unable to scrutinise the overall spending of the Scottish Government in the absence of a public sector pay policy. We did not have a public sector pay policy for two years, although we have had one recently.

I am trying to pull the conversation more towards the strategic side by asking how we can improve the transparency around public sector pay in the longer term, so that we can scrutinise those bigger figures. Dave Moxham and Dr Hosie, is there more action that we could take to get the Government to be more forthright and open about the assumptions that it is working on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Michael Marra

I think that it potentially would, convener. You are right in that a lot of considerable variables move in a UK budget and there is often a very tight timetable between the publishing of an autumn budget in the UK and the need for the Scottish Parliament to look at a budget before the end of the year. There is a very tight timescale in which to do that work. In the absence of longer-term fiscal statements or planning strategies, some of the known knowns—pay progression assumptions that might be made, the size of the public workforce over the following year, how many people will be involved and how much progressions are likely to account for—could be foregrounded more. A cabinet secretary has told the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee that the Government knew that the assumptions it was making on pay last year were unrealistic and that it was a paper exercise. That was a pretty frank admission from Gillian Martin.

Is it partly about the absence of an MTFS since 2023? Could that be a better process for helping people to understand the structure?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

It is quite a strange interaction, is it not? In essence, you are modelling the policies beneath the metapolicy, but you are unable to comment on the top level, from which all the consequences flow through.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

Did you look at just that one scenario rather than at multiple scenarios or potential other rules? There were—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

We have asked, but we got a kind of blancmange of a non-answer: “We are talking about what we might do about such and such around this.”

Is it not the case that the review will get pushed back until after the next election, when we will have a variation on this conversation? I think that you are being slightly generous in saying that external factors led to the cancellation of the resource spending review. It happened because there was chaos within the Government: we lost one First Minister due to horrific performance and got another one who decided to ditch the resource spending review. This committee asked the permanent secretary about the status of the resource spending review, but he had not been told, did not know and bemoaned that fact months later. It is just a mess in policy-making terms. The issue is not just about externality; it is about putting politics first, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

But the Government’s decision not to publish clearly devalues it, too, does it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

Surely, the means by which we, as a country, deal with the volatile external environment involves having a stronger north star direction and looking to find variations to help us to cope with that. Do you have any ideas for how we might strengthen the long-term process?