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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The answer to that is no.

Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement with the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that people would struggle to believe, given the content of the Gillies report and the evidence that we have heard today, that the crisis that was unfolding behind the scenes played no role in your decision no longer to be the director of finance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I have also spoken to sources in the university in student recruitment, who said that they were sounding the alarm on the issue way before then, that the figures were entirely unrealistic and that management were told that but did not listen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I will refer to one specific instance. The audit and risk committee of the university met on 23 October, and a minute of that meeting was presented to court on 12 November. That minute says:

“At the balance sheet date, the University had access to a £40m Revolving Credit Facility (RCF) with the Bank of Scotland. This RCF has never been drawn since its initial agreement in 2016. The RCF has been renewed since the balance sheet date and is now in place until October 2026.”

Given the evidence that we have heard today, none of that was true at that point, was it? There was no access to a revolving credit facility. As Mr Fotheringham has already told us, that had not been renegotiated with the bank. Who would have prepared that minute?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Could you name the deputy director of finance at that time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You did not know that those things were untrue at the point at which you signed it off?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

That is not part of the core business of the university, is it? The core business of the university is teaching people, research and some level of knowledge exchange. Building incubator buildings, as fantastic and important as they might be, is not the job of the university, is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Why were those accounts not presented to the UEG?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

A false minute was sent to court that the UEG signed off. Again, I am not hearing any rationale for that. I will ask court in a second. There seems to have been a culture in which there was no real faith in the oversight and governance mechanisms. You saw it as a pliant organisation that was not asking the right questions. To some extent, you were counting on that, and you were happy to send it false information.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Do you think that aiming to be an organisation with a turnover of £500 million after 10 years of financial distress was a good strategic posture? Did you agree with that?