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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

I am keen to get observations from this work on the causality and the relationship with better outcomes. It is almost about the theory of change, if I could put it that way. There is the idea of having a commissioner, as understood by the people you spoke to, and the idea that it might produce better outcomes. I am asking you to comment not on the outcomes, but on the theory of change in terms of a person being appointed and the idea that things might get better.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

Page 6 of your report mentions the “accountability gap”. What is meant by that phrase?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

I will close with a question on the process of establishing a commissioner. You were almost a participant in that, in that you provided the background research on the idea that the Government department was approaching.

I was intrigued by the quote on page 9 of your report, which says that correspondents felt that

“the campaign for a commissioner had been done to their communities, not with them.”

That is evidence that you have taken and it probably speaks to some of the concerns that the committee expressed at the outset about the policy-making process of establishing a commissioner. Is it a politician’s idea or a third sector idea, rather than something that is based in the community of people that the commissioner is meant to be serving?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

It also jumped out at me—I think that this point is coming through from the questions that my colleagues are asking—that you observe in the report that

“There is very little published research”

in this area and

“little evaluation exploring the pros and cons of different approaches”.

At the inquiry’s outset, we are working on the basis of there being very little published work exploring this area, and that is probably where you found yourself, too. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

So as far as you could determine, none of the responses was based on people’s experience of other commissioners.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

Yes—I am wondering what that is. Your report mentions the need to

“bridge the gap between good intention and policy and practice on the ground”.

Is that what is meant by the “accountability gap”? I am trying to dig into the purpose of a commissioner, and I am not really sure what the point about the accountability mechanism means.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michael Marra

That is fine.

Concerns have been raised that the establishment of a commissioner could be a drain on resource—in essence, it could be a substitution. Would we be better off spending the money on direct services or interventions rather than a commissioner? Did that come through in some of the evidence that you took?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

Is there anything else in the evidence that we have received that you will take on board when you are trying to revise the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

So you are not given any standard ways of presenting financial memorandums. As colleagues have picked up, we are looking at wildly different ways of presenting what should be the same thing. The convener has pointed out that we cannot be in the position of comparing apples and pears. We have a little disagreement between Mr Mason and the convener about how the figures are presented and whether they are material or immaterial, but is there no standardised process that you are presented with to say how you should present the figures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

So you did not adhere to the standardised process.