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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

A phasing approach will cost more money. That will be the challenge. Has there been an indication from the Government and the SFC that more money will be available to provide phasing?

Is that a nod? Please can you verbalise your answer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Is the Government saying that there is going to be any restrictions on, for instance, the £15 million and £10 million that have been announced for liquidity funding? There has been a bit of confusion about whether that money will all go to the University of Dundee. Let us just say that it will, because I think that that is the understanding. Am I right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Within the next two weeks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Why not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

You have seen the terms of reference as drafted at the moment. Do they say that evidence will be taken from those individuals?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. We have had a lot of questions about what has happened and how we got here today, but I have been particularly focused on what is happening next, because I think that this is an incredibly urgent issue for the city. Indeed, I think that that was set out at the start of the meeting.

Earlier, Tricia Bey said that you worked only on the basis of the information that you were given. I am not sure what the salaries of the senior executives are, but they will certainly be well into six figures. You do not need a six-figure salary to know that the Nigerian currency collapsed in 2023; you just need a subscription to The Economist. It is public information. The value of the Nigerian currency dropped by 70 per cent. Why did senior executives not say, “These figures are completely undeliverable”? In 2022-23, 1,300 students at the University of Dundee were Nigerian. It was utterly apparent that those people were not coming. My question, then, for the executives and, perhaps, for Tricia Bey, too, is this: why were those questions not asked?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

But, at that point, the OBR was projecting a far higher figure than 3 per cent. The Scottish Fiscal Commission projected 4.5 per cent, because the Scottish Government refused to provide it with the public sector pay policy. After the committee put pressure on the Government to do so, it eventually published the public sector pay policy in May last year, and that showed that there was an assumption of 3 per cent. Was that assumption of 3 per cent not completely unrealistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

It is useful to have that comment.

Since then, there has been some evidence that, beyond its being seen as unrealistic now, it was known to be unrealistic at the time, because the external environment made that clear. One of the cabinet secretaries, in evidence to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee on 14 January, talked about conversations being had in Cabinet about the challenges around public sector pay and their being recognised. Why would you, as the chief financial officer for the Scottish Government, believe that a public pay policy of 3 per cent—a policy whose bandwidth amounts to over 50 per cent of the entire £60 billion-odd budget—was a reasonable assumption at that point?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say that the risk is high?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

And has it increased in recent years?