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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay—thank you. We heard a lot in the first evidence session about the problem of governance, but we have not commented on the culture of leadership very much so far. There has been a significant narrowing in the leadership that is making decisions on the income and expenditure sides of the business. Do you have confidence that there has been a change in the character of the leadership and that the leadership is genuinely taking on board the expertise in the institution that is at the next level? I am still hearing reports that the management is working hard to produce a report but that there is a bunker mentality at the top. Have you challenged that culture?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is really important, but it was not what my specific question was about. Workforce engagement has to happen in general, and is a very positive thing. It is other members of senior staff in the institution who feel that the conversation is far too narrow and has been locked down to around four people. Is that a challenge in terms of the culture? It seems to have been part of the problem that may be being replicated in the current management.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is a means by which the university could offer people the opportunity, if they so wish, to take control of their own situation. Many other universities have put that in place because they have the capital in reserve to allow them to do it, but Dundee does not, so the people who work for the institution are suffering as a result.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Do you feel, then, that what I heard from the permanent secretary in response to my questioning yesterday is a reflection of what you are telling the Scottish Government?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

So, there was a significant narrowing of engagement between the executive and the court. Who decided that that should happen? Was it the former principal who made that decision?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Are any of those individuals still with the organisation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Just you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I thank committee members for their interest in this issue. I know that it is of strategic national importance, but it is of absolutely vital importance to my city of Dundee.

I have been struck by what feels to me to be a complete lack of urgency in the answers so far. The answers to Willie Rennie’s questions suggested something that feels like a potentially cataclysmic result for the city if the university is closed.

You found out about the issue in full in November but you had been aware of problems for months prior to that and only now are we seeing a recovery plan. It is fair to say that the response to that plan has been pretty hostile, and understandably so, given the scale of the harm that it will do to the city. The Government has been pretty clear that it is not happy with the plan, and the Scottish Funding Council does not seem to be happy with it either. What is the timetable? When will some form of revised proposal be produced and when will we see it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

The Government has said the situation is unacceptable—I think that that is the word that has been bandied around in the chamber. Have there been any other suggestions from the Government or the SFC so far?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

What would they be?