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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The target that was expressed was to be a £500 million turnover organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say, Mr Fotheringham, that the drive for growth at that level was a significant mismatch between the underlying structural problems of the institution and what was achievable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I hear that, but you were the person with sight of the accounts. You have come to the committee today and said that the University of Dundee had a long-term challenge in this area. As much as you say that, as an institution, you needed that growth, was it not particularly exposed to the risks of that at the same time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Aspiration is one thing. The Gillies report describes it as “hubris” on the part of the institution, particularly regarding the role of the principal. In the annual report, published in July 2025, he said:

“The year covered in this annual report has been one of consolidation, achievement and continuing recovery from the challenges of the pandemic, and of an institution blooming in the face of considerable ... headwinds.”

That was entirely untrue when he said it in 2025. Is that not right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

But the head count was going up. At a point when £35 million of savings had been allocated in the budget, the head count was increasing. Mr McGeorge, what do you think of the decisions to continue to recruit more and more people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The finance team. Who would have been responsible for it at that stage?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Sorry—I meant to say “July 2024”; we are not quite at July 2025 yet. I think the principal would still be saying that now, however, if he had not been caught.

I turn to the issue of the cash position; we might come back to the recruitment side. The Gillies report directly identifies the huge amounts of on-going expenditure. In our evidence session today, you have said that the finance team was underresourced. Instead, you had a massive expansion in the number of academics. Did you not make the case that your finance function needed more resource to ensure that you had a resilient organisation, whereas you were employing hundreds of additional academics?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Did you not make the case to say that there was underresourcing of that capacity, of which we have seen clear evidence today?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You did not. However, you were on the UEG, and you continued to sanction massive expenditure across the whole organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

When did you take that advice?