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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. My final question for you, Dr Ireton, is on the tension between the freedom that an inquiry has and public trust. The issue with an inquiry that has a more limited remit, particularly within your taxonomy, is how it relates to the views of victims, related parties and the public more generally. Are there other things that could be done to build public trust in a more limited form of inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

So, this bill does not do it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

But you cannot tell us how much big parts of the bill will cost.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

I am glad that your confidence has increased.

09:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. I have my doubts.

Let us go back to the first point, about the accountability side, and also to your point that you still do not know what the costs will be across different parts of the bill, including from any amendments that might be made to the bill at stage 3. You said that new sections 37A to 37E, on information standards,

“do not significantly alter what was said in relation to costs”

in the original financial memorandum and that

“Costs do not arise from the primary legislation, they will arise from the information standards created under it.”

Going back to the point about co-design, there are significant areas of the bill that just cannot be costed—is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Really?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Given the evidence that we heard in the previous session, I wonder whether the three of you might agree that it is not really appropriate for a very eminent member of your profession, appointed to this position, to spend a large amount of time looking for an office and internet connections. Is that a waste of public money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

We have been hearing about the adversarial nature of some of these inquiries, where there is an eminent KC standing in front of what is, in essence, a courtroom and asking for evidence from an individual and putting them on the stand about decisions that might have been made and where those might have flowed from. It is about whether that is the right model. If we have people like you who are employed—rightly, within this model; I do not deny that—to protect the interests and liabilities of a set of people as they may pertain to future legal action, as well as the inquiry that they are in, does that not run against some of your first premise, of assisting the inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

My definition or interpretation of “adversarial” is probably not the strict legal interpretation. “Aggressive” might be another way to describe it. I will rest on that.

The last area that I will ask about is the application of artificial intelligence in these kinds of inquiries. We have heard so far in evidence about the huge amounts of documentation that are involved. Have you seen AI triaging of large document sets in public inquiries?

13:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

I tend to agree with that. Have you seen any other examples of the use of AI in public inquiries?