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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Ministers are making the decisions about when to hold up the mirror—when to bow to the pressure. Other members have set out examples of public pressure in cases where they feel that the Government or institutions in Scottish society more broadly have not given them the answers that they require. How do you account for the recent uptick in the number of inquiries? Other members have spoken about whether that is about the Government, but, if it is not about the Government’s actions—you said that you do not believe that it is—why is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. That is a reasonable argument.

To take the point about issues being kicked into the long grass a step further, you said that you do not think that it would be appropriate to get into the details of the Eljamel inquiry, but you are not the sponsor of that inquiry. Is there not a risk that these inquiries shut down the Government’s ability to deal with some of the substantive issues? On the conduct of the Government, the First Minister said on the record recently that he cannot comment on civil court cases, which is simply untrue—it is completely untrue. There must be a sense that the Government has candour and the ability to talk about issues that are of interest to the public, rather than putting them into a semi-private domain.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

I am interested in the issue of sponsorship—where a minister is a sponsor of a particular inquiry. As a committee, we might reflect on how useful that is. Would it be better if Parliament, rather than ministers, sponsored an inquiry and had a central committee that took decisions about monitoring its activity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

My point is that we are five years on from what happened, and it might happen again next month. It is about how quickly we can get the answers and learn the lessons that are required.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Do you think that there is a case for having a central office with centralised experience and standard operating procedures to provide the secretariat and back-room capability for each inquiry, in order to bear down on costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Can I ask one last brief question, convener?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you, convener—I appreciate it.

When you are engaging in these considerations, there may well be a lot of media coverage, as there was around the Sheku Bayoh inquiry. That inquiry was about something that happened in Kirkcaldy on one afternoon, and affected around 20 people directly—it is, of course, incredibly serious and worthy of investigation. The Covid inquiry was huge in scope and affected the entire country. However, there is a one-size-fits-all approach to inquiries.

Will the problems in the Sheku Bayoh inquiry be a point of reflection that the Cabinet will discuss after the inquiry concludes, in order to be able to say why the system is or is not working? In that inquiry, the system clearly has not worked; we can talk about all the different ways in which it has collapsed and the problems that it has had, setting aside the case for the inquiry itself. Will the Government discuss that and try to reflect on it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

For the record, I begin by echoing Liz Smith’s comments due to my involvement in the Eljamel inquiry. In a similar way, I have presented my own evidence to the inquiry.

Given your statements today, Deputy First Minister, is the cost of £258.8 million too high?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

However, in the end, these are Government decisions. As much as we can talk about it, and you are right to highlight the very legitimate concerns of people externally making the case, in the end, it is the Government that decides to have an inquiry and not to use the alternative processes. Therefore, the issue is really not about ignorance on the part of the public; it is a decision that has been taken by the Government, and it appoints the person who leads the inquiry. These are Government decisions, are they not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

On your point about pace, we are five years on from the Covid inquiry, and two interim modules have been produced. You cannot really be satisfied with the pace of response if we are trying to learn lessons about a global pandemic, given that we might have another one in a month’s time.

The convener mentioned Covid inquiries elsewhere. The Covid inquiry in Australia was completed within two years, with a full set of recommendations. A pandemic could happen again, and we have already heard that 23,000 lives were lost during the Covid pandemic as a result of the suboptimal—to say the least—response from the Government. Surely the inquiry should happen an awful lot quicker so that we can learn lessons quickly. The system that we are using is not meeting the public need.