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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Can I ask for slightly more of your own reflections? Those particular instances aside, our system is under increased pressure, which is of great concern to me and other colleagues. The number of international students is declining and there is no sign of that recovering—in fact, it is probably getting worse. Multiple universities have redundancy schemes in place.

Higher education is one of the jewels of Scotland. I am sure that it is central to Mr Irwin’s work on Scotland’s economy, and it is in significant distress. Are you telling the First Minister that he has to act and do something about it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Are you worried by the reflections in the Gillies review on the Scottish Funding Council’s lack of efficacy in its governance of the sector’s overall fiscal and financial sustainability?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

I am asking specifically about the broader sector rather than Dundee; I am raising specific questions about the Scottish Funding Council.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

In February 2023, John Swinney came to the committee and said:

“In relation to the Scottish Government, we have headcount controls in place. We are working to reduce overall staff numbers.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 7 February 2023; c 15.]

However, we can see from figures for the last quarter, which were published just last week, that that number is going up again. It is up by a further 200. It sounds to me like you are talking about a deprioritisation of DG economy—which is a concern for me—but the overall picture is that the number continues to rise. The current trend is that the number is going up, is not it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

It is 73 per cent bigger than it was in 2007.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

That number continued to rise in the last quarter. In a year, will it be a failure on your part if that number continues to rise, given the announcements that we have heard in recent days?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that ministers have pretty significant powers to deal with such things. Whether they decide to use those powers, directly through legislation or otherwise, is a different question.

I will move on to a different area, which possibly relates in part to your previous role in intergovernmental relations in the UK. Your predecessor stated that one of his priorities in the past year was to see a reset in the relationship with the UK Government. How is that going?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

You make no comment on the cumulative effect of the Scottish Government continually issuing completely unrealistic demands for money on the ability to have a proper relationship with the UK Government. I am worried about the stated priority of a reset when the conduct of the Scottish Government is such that it is not being a realistic partner in those conversations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Maybe I will write to you and you can set out a response, because we have some detail on the issue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Have you been involved in any costings around full fiscal autonomy? I think that the answer is that you probably have not.