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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is a really useful comment on the diversity of the sector. I reflect that that diversity is probably not available in the college sector, but I recognise that there are challenges in universities.

The Scottish Government approved the mutual investment model—MIM—back in 2019, and it does not appear to have been used at all, whereas it has been used in Wales to build around 30 schools and colleges. Whether or not the Scottish Government decides to use it is really a policy question. It is my understanding that some investors are open to actively working in that kind of area. Dundee and Angus College is one example that is close to home for me. Have you had any indication, Lesley and Andy, that the MIM has been used or might be available?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

So the fine element would be dealt with separately and would not be added to the recovery process that you are describing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

What do you do to try to recover money as a result of issues that are arising in Social Security Scotland right now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Let us hope that the position does improve.

I will move on to the fiscal sustainability delivery plan, which says:

“Social security statistics show a lower rate of adult disability benefit awards being ended or decreased at review ... we will assess whether the current award review process is working as intended and if any changes may be required.”

Can you update us on that piece of work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is not where I am coming from. I was quoting the Government—that quote came from the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, so the Government wants to see this done. Has a target figure been set for the amount of money that is to be saved in this area?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

The words that I quoted were in a financial document—the fiscal sustainability delivery plan—and the point was about savings. It was made under a headline that said that there would be a saving of £1 billion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Can you tell us when that work will be finished? One of the committee’s concerns is that we do not know whether the £1 billion of savings will be represented in the Scottish Government’s budget when it is presented at the start of next year. You are now saying that no targets are being set in the section that I have outlined for you to save money in this area--you do not have a target, blunt or otherwise. We are trying to understand the shape of the budget. On the basis of what you have just told us, we are not expecting a contribution from you for a saving to that £1 billion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Can I ask one more, convener?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

The situation feels more urgent than a transformation fund, because the universities are acting now. We see strikes and industrial action across the country on campuses, and there are significant job losses. Is there a mismatch between what you are describing, which seems to be a more gentle approach, and what your member organisations are doing, where there is a state of panic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

I am not sure that I buy that, to be honest, nor the point that was made by the convener on instability. Business and enterprise research, development expenditure and investment in business and capital in Scotland have been low for decades. It was the subject of the very first economic development policy under devolution, but those numbers have not shifted at all.

As much as I recognise the current global situation—we see what is happening in France and in other countries—and the challenges that people have, such as shifts in interest rates and political instability generally, we need to look at this more fundamentally. Part of my analysis of that is that there is a very high rate of foreign ownership of companies in Scotland. The owners would not typically invest in satellite operations in other countries, but your solution seems to be more foreign investment rather than trying to find means by which we can capitalise domestic firms and use our financial sector to make sure that people are taking on that investment and making longer-term returns. I understand the challenge behind some of that, but I am not sure that your prescription feels all that current.

There is another part to my question on capital, if it is okay to come on to that—