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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

However, it did not happen, Professor Gillespie. You were the leader of an institution that was in existential crisis where, clearly, the costs had got completely out of control. As we have heard in the reports, spending was completely out of control. The income that you were already seeing was collapsing and you could not deliver a voluntary severance scheme. You could not push that through the organisation. Why not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that there is—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

It was a hubristic narrative, I think.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Were you betrayed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

But you knew that the Nigerian currency had collapsed—you could have read that in the Financial Times or in The Economist.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

The finance and policy committee papers of 21 May showed that the moneys were no longer ring fenced and formed part of the year-end cash. Were you aware of that at the time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

There is no evidence that you managed to achieve anything in that period. That is why we are sitting here now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

So you just kept spending.

This is the big difference. A lot of the conversation today has focused on international recruitment, and you have a good handle on that, but you do not appear to have a very good handle on a lot of other areas; I could list some of them. The issue is that the level of expenditure in the institution is the real problem.

There are many universities in Scotland circling around the pit. The reason that the University of Dundee has tipped into it is that you massively depleted the institution’s cash reserves over the previous 14 months. You liked spending the money and investing, did you not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You did not have the money to pay for it. You had been told in May that the money had gone, but you just had not read it. Where did you think that the money was coming from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Do you remember the date that you left?