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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You started the evidence session by saying that

“The university found itself in an invidious financial situation.”

You put the institution in an invidious financial situation, did you not, through uncontrolled expenditure, a lack of ability to realise savings and a lack of realistic predictions around international recruitment? The jobs of 3,000 people are at risk, and the taxpayer is on the hook for £122 million, as a result of that grotesque level of failure. You have said that you apologise. Do you take responsibility for that level of financial vandalism?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You had no grip on expenses policy; no grip on the covenants; no grip on savings; no grip on expenditure; and no grip on governance. That is what we have heard in your evidence today, Mr Gillespie. You have a lot of well-informed views about the international recruitment market; it seems that that was the thing that you were concerned about.

You were absent. The day after you resigned, you were due to fly off to China again, were you not? That would have been your 14th international trip within that year. Were you not an absent landlord?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

So why did you think that those people would keep coming?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Professor Gillespie, you talk about analytical discussions but, at that time, headcount at the university was continuing to rise. We have that in our evidence. The number of people who were employed there was climbing and climbing. There were £35 million of savings identified in the budget that you had signed off and there was no action to deliver against any of them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

That is the characterisation that you are giving in your evidence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Dr McGeorge and Mr Fotheringham, you have both mentioned the longer-term challenge that the university faced. There was a cycle of financial problems—certainly not at the level of the existential crisis that the university faces at the moment, but for a long period of time. I am interested in the strategic posture of the university. What was it trying to achieve? Dr McGeorge, what do you think the university was trying to do? Where was it trying to go during the past couple of years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The target that was expressed was to be a £500 million turnover organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say, Mr Fotheringham, that the drive for growth at that level was a significant mismatch between the underlying structural problems of the institution and what was achievable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I hear that, but you were the person with sight of the accounts. You have come to the committee today and said that the University of Dundee had a long-term challenge in this area. As much as you say that, as an institution, you needed that growth, was it not particularly exposed to the risks of that at the same time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Aspiration is one thing. The Gillies report describes it as “hubris” on the part of the institution, particularly regarding the role of the principal. In the annual report, published in July 2025, he said:

“The year covered in this annual report has been one of consolidation, achievement and continuing recovery from the challenges of the pandemic, and of an institution blooming in the face of considerable ... headwinds.”

That was entirely untrue when he said it in 2025. Is that not right?