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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

It would be interesting to know, because I want to explore the issue of deterrence and what happens if a court is making a decision about fraud, in which somebody has stolen money from their fellow taxpayers and citizens. You are talking about recovering moneys, but the question is whether that separate amount can accrue. It would be appreciated if you could come back in writing with detail on that.

Cabinet secretary, in your evidence so far, I have not picked up what you are going to do to get the money back. You have rejected the Westminster approach and have given some grounds for that decision. What action will you take?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

This is what I am interested in: you have rejected the UK Government’s approach of trying to drive up the amount that can be reclaimed, so what will you do to drive up the numbers? You say that you have to look at the numbers and get more detail, which I understand, but how long have you known about the issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Are those mechanisms sufficient to deal with the issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

What is your success rate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

What is that as a percentage of the overall amount of money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

I am sorry, cabinet secretary, I am asking you, because it was your decision to not take on board the UK Government position. That was up to you, and you have set out your reasoning for it. Are you happy with that figure, and do you think that 10 per cent is a reasonable outcome for the taxpayer?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

I understand that, cabinet secretary. To be fair, that is not the part that I am talking about. I am talking about your record of recovery and whether you are satisfied with the 10 per cent figure.

I see that Mr Wallace is keen to come back in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

I am happy to do that, and then I will come back on some of that detail.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

I take it that that piece of work has been completed. Mr Wallace said that the review of reviews has been undertaken, and you are confident that you are making the right decisions. So it seems that that is done, and you have reported back to the cabinet secretary that no savings will be made in this area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is useful detail, but I do not think that it answers my question, which was about whether you will contribute a saving to the £1 billion of money that has been identified by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government.