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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

That is very useful. The mechanism by which that stopped is that the use of the materials has been banned on buildings and, at the point of completion, an inspection for a completion certificate from the local council would examine those materials and check that they are not on the banned list. Is that correct, for the layperson?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

I would tend to strongly agree with that. The evidence that we have had is that there is a cycle of defects. Substandard building practices that lead to safety concerns have emerged in cycles over the years. RAAC is probably the most prominent of those issues at the moment, certainly in my home city of Dundee, in Aberdeen and in other parts of Scotland.

I am not sure how the tax would drive culture change in the industry. As much as the issue might require revenue, we might have to recognise that the tax, in the way that it is designed, is not necessarily going to make people change their behaviour as builders.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

I agree that that is very challenging. I am exploring the principle of how we can ensure that we change the behaviour, within the marketplace, of people who are developers.

I come to the issue of pace. In October 2024, Scottish Government officials told the committee that the single building assessment programme, which establishes what cladding remediation work is required, is expected to

“take around 10 years ... to complete.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 29 October 2024; c 17.]

That is just for the assessment programme to find out what is required. Is that an acceptable amount of time, given the state that we are in, eight years on from Grenfell?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

Mr Henderson, eight years post emergency, we are looking at another 10 years before we know the extent of the problem. That cannot be acceptable, can it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

As of August this year, 600 expressions of interest have been made to the cladding remediation programme, but there has been work on only two buildings in Scotland. Given the scale of the emergency that you have both described, you cannot think that that is acceptable, can you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

Mr Drummond?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

The convener has highlighted an event that affected all five and a half million of us in profound ways, and the issue of how to garner the information. However, we are trying to use the same process for the Covid inquiry as we are for the tragic circumstances that happened one afternoon in Kirkcaldy and which involved about 20 people. That inquiry has been going on for six years now. Are we not trying to have a one-size-fits-all legislative approach to incredibly different things, and is that not partly why we are coming up against these challenges?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

From your evidence, it is clear that your practice is focused on that kind of interaction with victims, particularly in relation to cases of service failure.

You mentioned bricks-and-mortar inquiries. Are there other categories that you can think of into which any of the current public inquiries and the plethora of public inquiries that we have had over the past decade might fall?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

What is stopping people from using them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michael Marra

I am broadly supportive of the direction of travel, but, Mr Henderson, you say in your submission that it is a polluter-pays principle. It strikes me that the people who made the pollution are not the people who are paying here. In many circumstances, it will be people who have changed practice and who are building responsibly. None of that dismisses the fact that we need money to do the retrofitting to ensure that we can do the remediation in the buildings.

Is it fair to say that there is not really a polluter-pays principle at the heart of the design of the tax? Is it really just a way of getting money to do something that needs to be done?