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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

Absolutely. I am always happy to talk about Dundee, as my colleagues will confirm.

Dundee City Council has put family support workers into schools. That is not an issue of care—it is not about children being taken into care. Will that practice be put at risk if the whole process is housed in a national organisation that separates itself out from local authorities? Perhaps we can hear from Claire Burns and then Jackie Irvine on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

That is very useful. Fraser, will you reflect on some of Iain Nisbet’s comments? I can understand how the issues pertain to care and a national care service, but what about the health and wellbeing of a child who is not at risk? Do you see the challenge around protecting those rights in a national care service?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

I should declare an interest, convener, as a close family member is a practising social worker.

Pensions would not typically be included under the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations, but the fact is that we are looking at thousands of social workers moving to a new body. Has the Government provided any clarity on the status of social work pensions? That question is for Tony Buchanan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

What about the status of buildings, including the rentals for the places where all those people work? What would the relationship be in that respect with regard to councils?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

But you are not being asked to address directly the question whether children’s services should be integrated.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

The bill is about creating a national care service. My understanding is that social work and children’s services do an awful lot that is not about formal care. Will you explain the breadth of the proposal in the bill and say how much of it goes beyond care? We have heard a bit about prevention, but it would be useful to hear more.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

Convener, the list that was supplied at schedule 3 is useful; however, if the children’s commissioner’s office, in particular, has any further areas of concern, including about other legislation, it may want to write to the committee and supply those, as that would be particularly useful to the committee as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

Claire, you talked about defining the problems and about families who get into crisis before services step in. That is the preventative space. It does not seem to me that that is a care issue. Is it appropriate, therefore, for those services to sit within the national care service? That is going to be a huge service and it will be dominated—rightly, I think—by the huge problems in social care that we have in this country. Is there a risk that what we are discussing will become a Cinderella service or, even worse, that some of the prevention issues will be ignored entirely?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

One of the principal interventions in Dundee, which is my home city—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Michael Marra

We were told that there would be a body of research. Claire, you represent CELCIS, which I believe is to be commissioned to carry out that research. What form will it take?