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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that ministers have pretty significant powers to deal with such things. Whether they decide to use those powers, directly through legislation or otherwise, is a different question.

I will move on to a different area, which possibly relates in part to your previous role in intergovernmental relations in the UK. Your predecessor stated that one of his priorities in the past year was to see a reset in the relationship with the UK Government. How is that going?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

You make no comment on the cumulative effect of the Scottish Government continually issuing completely unrealistic demands for money on the ability to have a proper relationship with the UK Government. I am worried about the stated priority of a reset when the conduct of the Scottish Government is such that it is not being a realistic partner in those conversations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Maybe I will write to you and you can set out a response, because we have some detail on the issue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Have you been involved in any costings around full fiscal autonomy? I think that the answer is that you probably have not.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you for all of that. It is very useful.

You talk about pre-empting political disagreement. Sometimes, the positions that politicians take will get in the road of some of the good relationships that you have.

You are the principal policy adviser to the First Minister. Prior to the UK budget in autumn last year, the Scottish Government demanded an additional £70 billion of spending from the UK Government. Since that budget, there has been an additional £20 billion of demands. Were you and your civil service involved in costing those demands?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Mr McCallum, is your department costing the figures in such press releases?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

On 19 March, the Scottish Funding Council gave evidence to the Education, Children and Young People Committee. In response to some of my questions, it said that it was telling the Scottish Government that there are pressures on the sector and not only on Dundee. I will set aside for the moment the situation at Dundee, which I agree involves particular issues. There are very significant pressures across the system. Where does the system’s sustainability appear on your risk register?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

Good morning, Mr Griffin. You may have detected a fair level of scepticism around the table about the civil service numbers, given that all my colleagues have been talking about them. There are some good reasons for that. In May 2022, the now Deputy First Minister stated that she wanted to see the size of the civil service return to pre-Covid levels. At that point, the civil service had 22,800 employees, and it now has 27,400 employees. Are we not right to be sceptical about your ability to cap that number, let alone reduce it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

On top of that £90 billion of spending demands, the Scottish Government has opposed £45 billion of revenue raisers, so the demands of the UK Government that are coming from your offices are for a fiscal adjustment of £135 billion. Those demands are not realistic or credible. How do those demands speak to a reset of relationships between the Scottish Government and the UK Government, when your officers are producing such figures, which have no basis in reality?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michael Marra

As an intergovernmental relations expert, what form would you say such demands take? Are they just done with a press release, or do civil servants engage with their counterparts in UK departments and ask for an additional £70 billion by saying, “This is the position, and this is why we think you should spend this money that we don’t have”?