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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Are you aware, Ms Simpson?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you for all the answers so far. Members of the previous panel said that they would be happy for there to be a short consultation with staff and the community about what should be included in the terms of reference of the independent review. It is imperative that confidence is built in this process—that is a necessary prerequisite.

You have now announced the chair of the review, and Pamela Gillies is a very eminent individual. She is a good Dundonian as well as someone who has led in the sector. Can you commit to some form of consultation with staff about what should be included in the terms of reference, so that there will be broader ownership of the review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I will come on to the point about the pace at some length, as I recognise that there is a tension in that respect.

Will there be a mechanism by which members of the university more broadly and whistleblowers—people who have things to add—can input anonymously into the review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Has a budget been set for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. I suppose that there is a difference between redundancies and voluntary severance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I will leave that issue there.

Lastly, on the broader issue, I think that the description of Dundee as a black swan is problematic; a black swan event is one that seems unpredictable but was, in hindsight, entirely predictable. I do not think that this really fits that pattern. It is pretty clear that we have a sector-wide issue, if we look at what is happening in the University of the West of Scotland, Robert Gordon University, the University of Edinburgh and the University of St Andrews. Yesterday, the permanent secretary said that there is high, and increasing, risk in the sector. I am afraid that it sounds to me as if what is happening at the SFC is a little bit like what happened at the University of Dundee. Are you speaking truth to power? Are you talking to power and saying, “There is a problem here, and it is going to have to be fixed”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That seems like a bit of a disaster, does it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is £22 million of the £25 million?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay.

It sounds as if we are going to hear more about the independent review from the Scottish Funding Council today. Was there any discussion with the workforce or the students about its terms of reference?