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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Michael Marra

You will have watched the evidence that ministers gave us last week. For me, the thrust of that was that a strategy is coming. Do you think that we should wait until that is published to see what is in it and whether it works?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Michael Marra

There is huge frustration, which I hear from Pam Duncan-Glancy and Bill Scott, as well as from the committee, in relation to the delivery and what is going to make change happen. I suppose that that goes to the nub of the discussion today.

Earlier this week, I had a meeting with a council chief executive, who said that they are now in a position in which they can do nothing that is not required of them by law. Is that the situation that disabled people face?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You have talked a little bit about the structures for accountability to ministers, and you seem to be saying that they are working and that this is the most effective way in which they can work. We have also talked about the policy regime. You will recognise the scale of the failure. Some estimates talk about 4,000 young people a year requiring action, and we heard in previous evidence that it could be up to 800,000 young people. People tell us that they are falling off a cliff or that they feel as though they are going into an abyss. They are half as likely to be employed: 44.4 per cent of them are economically inactive against the average of 16.1 per cent. Those statistics are really stark.

How long will you persist with the approach that you are taking before you decide that something different needs to happen? Previous evidence said that a year would be enough to evaluate that. Do you agree?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

My question was about how long it will take.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You have already said that, cabinet secretary; you are repeating your first answer. I want to try to understand how you moved within that period. You cannot think that the situation is optimal and desirable. There is chaos in councils following the decision to take a third of the entirety of their budgeting options. We could have a discussion about whether we think that that is a good thing for teacher numbers, but councils are left having to make massive cuts in other areas.

I will give one example. Dundee City Council is about to cut its funding for Big Noise Douglas in Dundee, which is an education programme that works with kids in the most impoverished area. The council has been left in that position in which it is making that cut. Is that a reasonable position for you to have put it in with just days to go before it sets its budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

I am frustrated because you are describing a chronic situation and short-term actions, and you are telling us that the bill before us does not deal with that. The Parliament is trying to find a mechanism to accelerate change and to make the process work because, at the moment, it does not seem to be happening. I am not being offered a timeframe in which you, as professionals, would be able to make a judgment as to whether the approaches that you are putting in place work. Would 18 months be enough for you to tell whether we are on the right path? Would six months do? We are talking about pilot programmes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

Is that why you changed your position between 30 January and 1 February?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

On 18 December 2022, the Deputy First Minister, John Swinney, issued his budget circular to COSLA; on 18 January 2023, cabinet secretary, you were in front of us, giving details of the budget; and, on 1 February, you wrote a letter to COSLA, saying that you would be ring fencing one third of its net revenue budget and demanding that it get back to you by 5 pm to say how it was going to deal with that and whether or not it would be accepting that. What changed your mind between your appearance here and your letter of 1 February?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

It is useful to have clarity on that mechanism and that it is an in-year process prior to the budget being set. For clarity, Dundee’s budget for this has been cut by £4.9 million, for the poorest community in the country.