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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

Are there any other comments from the panellists?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

My question relates to the sustainability issue. Are your institutions relying on the finance from those placements?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

I suppose that that goes to the heart of my concern. Some of the evidence that we have received seems to indicate that, by removing that option, we will somehow make a change in England. As I said to the previous panel, we were told last week that the hope is that making it harder for local authorities to place children in Scotland will somehow force the issue of more appropriate places being provided in England. However, at least one member of the previous panel said that they did not believe that that would happen. In order to protect and enforce the rights of young people in England, are we not right to have some form of backstop option that allows young people to come to Scotland to be safe?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

I want to ask about cross-border placements, which the bill seeks to regulate. Do its provisions go far enough towards doing that? Will you outline the complexities that you currently experience in dealing with such placements?

Perhaps Meg Thomas could start.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

That was really useful. Do you want to come in, Chloe?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

In its written evidence, St Mary’s Kenmure refers to cross-border placements subsidising the bed rate for young people in Scotland by

“cross border authorities who are willing to pay more than the Scotland Excel rate”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

We had evidence on that point last week. One panel member said:

“By making it harder for local authorities to place children in Scotland, our hope would be that that would somewhat force the issue of providing more appropriate places in England.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 22 March 2023; c 46.]

In terms of the dynamic of the bill, do you see that change happening in England if we make it more difficult for such placements to happen in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

As bodies that are involved in the dispensation and use of secure accommodation services, are you concerned that capacity in secure accommodation and residential care might be impacted by cross-border placements in that the number of available bed spaces might be reduced? Your organisations are involved in sending young people into such places. Does the capacity issue concern you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

In recent years, the Scottish Government has had a policy to fund a last-bed provision in secure accommodation. Kenny, you mentioned an issue to do with finding capacity. However, I am told that there is some dubiety as to whether that policy will be continued. Would it concern your organisations if that last-bed provision to find a place for a person was not continued?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

That is useful.