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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

Indeed. We are talking about the trend. My question is, do you think that, at the moment, there is space in the marketplace for additional taxes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

There is £1.4 billion of additional money available to the Government, and £1.1 billion available to portfolios, but it seems that it is being allocated to the increasing cost of delivering the same model of public services across Scotland. That is my reading of it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

But not to ministers. I think everyone here was quite surprised by your answer, Professor Seaton, when you were asked when you had last had a conversation with a Government minister. You said that it was with Jenny Gilruth in August and that you have never spoken to the current Minister for Further and Higher Education. Given the rhetoric that we have heard from the Government, I had assumed that, on day 1 in his post, Mr Macpherson would have said that one of the five top things on his to-do list would be to have a conversation with Nigel Seaton.

You have described this as being one of the biggest crises in a British university since the second world war. Let me give you a quote. On 3 April, in the Parliament chamber, John Swinney said to me:

“I assure Mr Marra that there is no absence of leadership on that question, which is commanding a huge amount of the Government’s time, attention and focus”.—[Official Report, 3 April 2025; c 25.]

However, you have not had a conversation with the higher education minister, who has now been in post for two months. That is extraordinary, is it not? Have you tried to have a conversation with him?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Is that the £12 million, initially? Will you give us the quantum for that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Okay, that is useful to know.

You will have seen reports of turmoil in the Scottish Funding Council. There have been board meetings where there has been uproar about what is happening at Dundee and particularly about how exposed the Scottish Funding Council is. I have two questions on that. First, given what you have described, is the SFC autonomous from the Government?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Is the Scottish Funding Council competent to deal with this issue, particularly given the fire that is running through the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Secondly, you mentioned earlier that the proposal was put forward by yourself, but there did not appear to be any analysis of that—there was just a letter that came back in response. Do you think that the Funding Council scrutinised the proposal, or was that a political response?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I will close with this point, convener. In the conversations that I have with staff, they tell me that, from day to day, many things are not working in the institution. As people will understand, when you take out the number of staff that the university has done, both through the voluntary severance scheme and through people resigning from key posts, grants do not get signed off and approval cannot be got for posts or expenditure in different areas.

You have talked a little bit about this already, Professor Seaton. Given that level of change, is there any way in which people can be heard? When people tell me about not being able to get those critical decisions pushed through in an institution—and, as some have told me, this is about the wages that they get in their bank accounts and about grants that are not being signed off but which are sitting on executive-level desks instead—is there any way in which I can raise that directly? Given the turmoil, is there any means that you can create internally—or any problem-solving, star-chamber approach that you can take—to ensure that those things get sorted in order to make the organisation work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you both for coming today. I will start with the issue of prioritising buildings instead of people. One of the key things that staff tell me is how they feel when they hear that a surplus has to be generated in order to make buildings nicer while they are potentially losing their livelihoods, which will cause the city to lose wages and the economy to suffer. Do you understand how that feels, Professor Seaton?