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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Of course.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

That is good.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

No, it is not. I will pursue that point. The Good Shepherd Centre gave evidence to the Parliament that Scotland has been turning to England “to ensure sustainability”. That is based on the fact that people pay above the rates that are referenced in the Scotland Excel frameworks that Mr McNamara has just mentioned. However, the minister’s stated intention is to reduce the number of people who are paying above that rate. Therefore, how will the sector maintain the sustainability if that revenue is removed, minister?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

So, there is no intention at the moment to revisit the Scotland Excel framework in terms of the costs that are paid.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from the convener, so I will convene the meeting in his place.

We are joined by Keith Brown, who is attending the meeting as a substitute member in the convener’s absence. I am pleased to welcome Keith to the meeting, and I invite him to declare any relevant interests.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Under the next agenda item, we will continue our inquiry into effective Scottish Government decision making. We are joined remotely by Sophie Howe, sustainability futures and wellbeing adviser and former Future Generations Commissioner for Wales; Professor Steve Martin, director of the Wales Centre for Public Policy at Cardiff University; and Professor Matthew Flinders, University of Sheffield. I welcome you all to the meeting, and thank you for giving us your time.

I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this session. If any of the witnesses wants to come in on a question, I would be grateful if they could post in the chat function so that I know to bring them in. I also ask my committee colleagues to name the first witness to whom they are putting their question.

Liz Smith will kick off the questions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Two of the witnesses are in Wales. I will bring in Steve Martin.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

A Conservative minister was quoted in 2020 as saying that Whitehall had been “infantilised” by the use of consultancy companies. Reflecting on Professor Flinders’s point about where they are positioned in the policy-making chain, I thought that that was a highly critical comment.

I will bring in Professor Martin, as he is on the screen.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Agenda item 3 is an evidence session on the financial memorandum to the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Natalie Don MSP, Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise, and her Scottish Government officials: Brendan Rooney, bill manager; Tom McNamara, head of youth justice and children’s hearings; and Helen Duncan from the children and families analysis branch.

I thank you all for coming and welcome you to the meeting. I invite Natalie Don to make a brief opening statement.