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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

So you think that your Cabinet colleagues will not undertake such practices again.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

To be fair, there were processes in place before that, and there was—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

There was advice in relation to the case surrounding the former First Minister, Alex Salmond, which was discounted by the Scottish Government. The advice was to concede the case as the benefits from proceeding did not appear to come close to meeting the potential detriments from doing so.

At some point, the Cabinet made a decision to disregard that legal advice. I am concerned about that and I want to understand how you would have that conversation in the Cabinet and come to a decision to set aside that advice and do something else.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Ross Greer has a question on that point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

There was a big failure in that regard. Permanent secretary, have you and your officials reflected on that? We are told that lessons have been learned. What is the central lesson that you learned?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

When Liz Smith raised this issue with you in the chamber, Deputy First Minister, you said:

“the advice that we commission and receive is the best advice available to ministers.”—[Official Report, 3 May 2023; c 14.]

That would include legal advice. When you are making a decision, in what circumstances would you decide to disregard legal advice that you had received?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

We have talked about lessons learned. Surely, on reflection, lessons must have been learned about that and why the situation arose.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Okay. I do not think that we are getting any further on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from the convener, so I will convene the meeting in his place. We are joined by Keith Brown, who is attending the meeting as a substitute member in the convener’s absence.

Our first agenda item is our final evidence session as part of our inquiry into effective Scottish Government decision making. We will hear from Shona Robison, the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, and John-Paul Marks, permanent secretary, who are joined by Scottish Government officials Lesley Fraser, director general corporate, and Dominic Munro, director for strategy. I welcome you all to the meeting and look forward to your evidence.

I invite Ms Robison to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Before anyone else comes in, we have a few more members to get round, so I ask for brevity in the answers—I would like them to be just a little bit briefer. I understand that it is a broad subject, but please can we narrow it down a bit? My apologies for that.