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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You do not. Okay.

We might hear a little more about the Shepherd and Wedderburn report, which I asked to have provided to the committee. I know that the convener asked the university to provide that and that the university has taken legal advice on it.

I put the same point to Peter Fotheringham. Your departure from the university has been described to me by various people as the first clear external indication of the turmoil that was going on behind the scenes. Did you leave because things were getting so bad?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Why did you leave?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You were surprised. So, you thought that £40 million was theoretically ring fenced and suddenly you were surprised that it was gone, despite the fact that you were the person who was sanctioning the expenditure on the kind of capital programmes that Peter Fotheringham spoke about. Is it a surprise to you, Mr Fotheringham, that Jim McGeorge did not realise that £40 million had disappeared?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

It sounds like you did. A big part of this is the rapid deterioration of the cash position that has left the university exposed so that it cannot make the kind of manoeuvres that other institutions can make. For example, the University of Aberdeen is in perhaps the second or third round of voluntary severances, whereas the University of Dundee was not in a position to do that; it had no money to do so due to the rapid expenditure of that money. Mr Fotheringham, were you not sounding alarms about the expenditure side of this when you could see that the cash position was deteriorating so rapidly?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

During that period of time, management accounts were not presented to the UEG in periods 9, 10 and 11. Is there any justification for those missing accounts? Mr Fotheringham, was that before, during or after your period of employment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Was there a view that the knowledge that the UEG had at that point should not be shared with court for some reason?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I have reviewed a number of your regular reports to court. In essence, they amount to an account of your diary. They mention, for example, going to gallery openings. There is a picture of your dog in one of them. There is no sense of any strategic intent for the organisation in those reports. Do you feel that you provided any strategic guidance to the institution about what you thought was a reasonable course?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I will come back to your departure in a moment, Ms Millar. Was there any evidence of challenge on court on financial matters, which we see in the submitted evidence from the vice-principal international, Baroness Alexander? Were those kinds of questions being asked at court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Did you trust court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

So why were all the papers regularly not provided to members of court beforehand?