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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not think that is the case. A lot of the work that would have to be done under part 1—I have accounted for it in the financial memorandum—would be covered by Police Scotland and other organisations. I do not see how it would be more bureaucratic for Scottish Women’s Aid, which is a charity organisation that works with domestic abuse survivors. Could you make that a bit clearer for me, please?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

First and foremost, I believe that the domestic abuse education should be present in all schools and that there should not be a postcode lottery—I mentioned that earlier with regard to rehabilitation. We believe that, if that early intervention were to be rolled out across the country, there would be a dramatic change in attitudes towards domestic abuse, which could lead to a permanent reduction in the number of crimes that are carried out.

That is a chance that I do not want to miss. We know how important early intervention is, which is why I believe that we need to put domestic abuse education into statute. We have been waiting for domestic abuse education to be rolled out. A number of different education programmes are delivered in schools, some of which include a domestic abuse element and some of which do not. There is no consistency. It is a postcode lottery.

10:45  

You referred to the issue of what should be in the curriculum and whether the inclusion in the curriculum of domestic abuse education should be provided for in statute. In my opening remarks, I mentioned my colleague Liz Smith’s Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. A lot of the questions about my bill were answered in relation to that bill. Sometimes, things that one might think should be in the curriculum are not in it. Liz Smith’s bill has proved that certain aspects of education can and should be provided for in statute. A precedent has been set in that respect.

You mentioned areas such as misogyny and sexism. I can cover only the very important issues that my bill includes. Early intervention on domestic abuse is important not only in enabling children not to go on to perpetrate domestic abuse when they grow up and to understand that it is a serious crime, but in giving them awareness of the need for intervention if they see it happening in their house or elsewhere.

I do not shy away from the fact that there is misogyny and sexism in our schools. I think that it is a growing concern. However, it is important that we cover domestic abuse, as my bill seeks to do. I have spoken to many people, including organisations that are dealing with the issue, most of which talk openly about the fact that the issue has blown up in the past year. They think that domestic abuse education has a role to play in relation to some aspects of misogyny and sexism, but not in relation to others.

I believe that it is important that we make statutory provision for domestic abuse education through my bill, to ensure that there is no postcode lottery. There needs to be early intervention. We need to cover this area, rather than waiting for another year or two.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have been working on the bill for more than three years, and I have looked at each area very carefully. I have spoken to many stakeholders in each area. We already have the equally safe at school programme—we are well aware of that—but my bill does not seek to set out what the domestic abuse education provision should look like or how it should be shaped. The bill is not prescriptive in that regard, as I said in my opening statement. I am—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not believe that I was wavering, but, as I said, if someone feels that there should be an amendment to the bill to alter the thresholds, I will be happy to work with them.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

On that matter, we will stick with our answers to those questions. I do not think that the costs have changed at all. I believe that certain technicalities, on which I am not an expert, have to be looked at in more detail, but I do not believe that the costs that we have put in have changed significantly from the evidence that you have already taken.

Roz and Charlie, do you have anything to add?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not believe that what you are saying is correct. I do not agree with that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I said in my opening statement that there would have to be additional resources. At no point in part 1 am I saying that the police or authorities would have to work off the budgets that they have. There will have to be additional resources, and I have made that clear in my financial memorandum.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will bring in my colleague Charlie Pound on technical issues.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

No. I engaged with Dr Emma Forbes from the Crown Office, but I did not ask that question.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not accept that it could retraumatise victims.