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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My next question is for Bruce Adamson and Ellie Gomersall.

Last week, we heard from the Equality and Human Rights Commission that individuals who acquire a GRC can access women’s and girls’ single-sex spaces such as toilets, changing rooms, refuges and hospital wards, and that the exclusion of individuals with a GRC would be direct discrimination, subject to justification.

There are concerns from those opposed to the bill that the self-declaration aspect could open the bill up to abuse by bad-faith actors. Do you think that certain groups of individuals, such as people who are on the sex offenders register, for example, should be ineligible to apply for a GRC on the basis of self-declaration? If not, are there any other safeguards that you think would be best placed to ensure that the bill has no unintended consequences for children’s rights?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I want to follow that up. You mentioned that the process is pretty rigorous right now but, under the bill, the process will be much easier. If there are no safeguards in place, will that open up the process to such predators?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Commissioner, this is a big concern and a big question that everybody is asking. Can you give me your view on it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Colin, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Going back to what Dr Crawford said about support and something that Vic Valentine said about having explainers, that suggests that you are looking at having a much wider support mechanism. If you are looking at people who have disabilities and need extra help, that cannot just be an explainer on a piece of paper. Support services will have to be provided to say what a GRC is and what it means. Am I right that you are saying that what is needed is more than just explainers and descriptions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have a follow-up question. I asked the first panel a question about prisoner services. You mentioned a situation in which discrimination could occur, regardless of whether the person had a GRC. I will try to word this right: where does the onus lie when it comes to the Prison Service deciding where somebody should go?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

If there was no GRC, how would one protect women prisoners from men who say that they are women in order to transfer prisons? What are your thoughts on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Dr Crawford, do you have anything to add?