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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, minister. I will probe that further. Let us put the Fraser of Allander Institute estimate to the side. The committee has heard from councils and COSLA, and I have heard from them personally—as I said, I have been speaking to CEOs. They are under pressure. Whether 5 per cent is good enough or whether the figure should be 10 per cent, they are going through really challenging times. What examples can you give of the sort of savings that councils could make? We know that certain areas, such as education and social care, are ring fenced, but what areas do you think that councils need to start looking at? There is a massive budget gap and they are experiencing challenges.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will go back to something that Katie Hagmann was saying about the fiscal framework. The Verity house agreement stated that a fiscal framework would be concluded by the end of September 2023. Obviously, that has not happened. Four weeks ago, the Deputy First Minister said:

“Already many of the principles we have agreed together are being put into practice, such as improved engagement ahead of the publication of the Scottish Budget”.

Would you agree with that assessment, given that COSLA was blindsided by the decision to freeze the council tax? When can we expect the framework to be completed?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Councillor Hagmann, you said that you had a positive meeting with the Scottish Government after the announcement of the council tax freeze. Having spoken to 24 local authorities, I know how they are feeling. Since that meeting, do they feel that they have much more certainty with regard to the Verity house agreement and the work on the fiscal framework?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, minister. My question follows on from Mark Griffin’s. Councils are providing more new and improved services—including free school lunches, early childhood education and services relating to social care obligations—that have outpaced the funding that is supplied by the Scottish Government. My question is on teacher numbers. Does local government have to retain teacher numbers, even where enrolment is declining?

It is very promising to hear from you today that you are moving away from input measures and towards outcomes. I have spoken to about 24 authorities, and they have welcomed that language on outcomes, especially with teacher numbers. However, where enrolment is declining, authorities must still deliver the teacher numbers that the Scottish Government has proposed. Local authorities feel that, although teacher numbers are important, innovation and teaching in different ways are also important. Many things surround teaching; it is not just about teacher numbers. What is your view on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Jamie Robertson, East Dunbartonshire is an area of growth.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning and happy new year, everyone.

I have been speaking to councils right across Scotland, including all four of your councils. The general sentiment about the Verity house agreement is that it is definitely needed. All the councils welcome the agreement, but not one of them believes that it has been working. One council said that it could not think of a single initiative to which the principles of the Verity house agreement had been applied. Can any of you give an example of where the Verity house agreement has been applied and, if so, explain how that might be replicated in future practices?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

When we spoke to local authorities, it was highlighted that they face penalties if they attempt to make savings on teacher numbers even if there are declining school rolls. What impact do such requirements have on the physical flexibility in local authorities?

On the flipside, the challenges in East Lothian are different from those in Argyll and Bute. There are more challenges in East Lothian due to the growth that is taking place there. What does the ring fencing of funds in certain areas mean for local authorities and their flexibility? How does that allow you to innovate rather than look just at teacher numbers? My question is about both sides: decline and growth.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Convener, do I have time to ask a quick supplementary question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Maybe I can ask it if there is time at the end.