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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

While—I am looking at your report here—there has been greater recognition of neurodivergence in recent years, with more coming out, neurodivergent people still face a lot of challenges. For example, autistic people are nine times more likely to die by suicide, with as many as 66 per cent of autistic adults—that is a shocking figure—having thoughts about suicide during their lifetime.

When we took evidence on the delay in the introduction of the proposed learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence bill, we spoke to people with real-life experiences who said that they felt as though they were at the bottom of the pile when it came to the Scottish Government’s priorities. Do you believe that neurodivergent people are being failed?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, everybody. I am a committee member, but I am also an MSP for the West Scotland region.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is terrible that the community is going through that but it is good to hear what you are speaking about, Sofia. As I said to you earlier, I spoke to some families that have autistic children. There are reasons beyond racism and discrimination that they do not want to face up to their children having autism.

In a lot of cultural settings, especially ones with arranged marriages and those kinds of relationships, putting a label on a child when they are so young can affect them later on. When that person grows up knowing that they are autistic, unfortunately, there will be more to it than just being named as autistic—a lot more will be said about it and that child’s prospects will suddenly have gone. Never mind us talking about education and jobs—their marriage prospects, relationships and cultural aspects will all disappear.

It is a cultural matter in some communities, especially those with ethnic backgrounds. What is your view on what can be done differently there? People would rather say that their child is behaving badly or differently than say that that child has a disability, is autistic or needs help.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You have said that we have to help every child and make sure that they are diagnosed correctly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That is probably the most important thing: to ensure that they have that diagnosis. Have you or Dr Crabb looked into the transgender aspect at all or done any work around it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I thank the witnesses for all the information that they have provided so far. I have two questions. My first question is on employment, which a number of you have touched on in relation to reasonable adjustments. It is estimated that the employment rate for autistic people is only 29 per cent, whereas Scotland’s national employment rate is 82.5 per cent and, for non-disabled people, is 50.7 per cent. Those figures show how much lower the employment rate is for autistic people. How can we help autistic people not just to enter the workforce but to remain in it over the long term?

A number of you mentioned the support that you need. Sofia Farzana, you mentioned how getting interview questions beforehand would make it easier. It would be good to hear from everybody on what additional things could help you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have one more question, which is probably more directed to Sofia Farzana, but it is also open to anyone else who wants to come in.

The National Autistic Society has conducted research on why a large number of black and ethnic minority autistic people are not getting the support that they need. One of its observations was that disability can be stigmatised in certain communities and is sometimes blamed on the parents. It was also interesting to hear that some families said that they initially refused to acknowledge that their child was autistic. How can we ensure that BAME neurodivergent people get the support they need?

Sofia, I know that we touched on this issue.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you very much for sharing so much, especially about your experiences.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Before I ask my main question, I have a question on the diagnosis side. NHS England has been considering plans to test children who identify as transgender for autism. That was one of the Cass review’s recommendations, which the Government claims to have accepted. Studies have found that those who identify as trans are three to six times more likely to receive an autism diagnosis. Do you believe that NHS Scotland should look into that as well?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Is there anything that you would like to add, Dr Boeing?