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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Clearly, what happens at the moment is that people often fall through the gaps. You are describing what is perhaps a more comprehensive approach to make sure that that does not happen. When considering any disadvantages of a mixed model, are there still risks of gaps in provision and the most vulnerable not being able to readily access a service?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Throughout our inquiry, we have been looking at the mixed model as proposed in the Government’s discussion paper. We had a bit of a discussion with the previous panel on the finance and the money that is put into legal aid by the Government. Is it your view that a mixed model would save money?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

The Law Society gave evidence on its frustrations, but it also spoke about the opportunity that it sees because of where we are now and because things are beginning to move. It was hopeful that certain proposals, which I think it described as tweaks to the system, might be implemented in the summer, before the end of the parliamentary session. Are you working towards that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Okay. The committee will be keen to follow that up.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Over a number of weeks, including in this morning’s session, we have been discussing the mixed model of payment and delivery, which the Government’s discussion paper calls for. The sense is that it could address some of the issues of identifying and meeting needs in the current system. However, to help to inform our work, it would be useful to get a sense on what panel members’ feelings are about the advantages and disadvantages of that mixed model.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Obviously, there are concerns about the amount of money in the system in general, and the risk with any model is that people fall through the cracks. Can you say something about what the Government is doing to ensure sufficiency of funding? I take the point about trying to move to a multiyear settlement, but what is the Government doing to ensure that people do not fall through the cracks in a mixed model?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Funding is one part of reform, but there are larger issues. There are short-term issues and issues that appear to be longer-term, which might require legislation. Do you understand the frustrations that people have with the time that this has taken and will take? I appreciate that we need to get things right, but throughout our evidence taking, the committee has heard a degree of frustration with the slow pace and with us not achieving as much as we hoped to during this session of Parliament.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Sure. As I said, I appreciate that responsibility for legal aid sits with the minister’s justice colleagues. Nevertheless, from an equalities point of view, this committee and the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee have heard evidence that women who are leaving an abusive relationship very often have to go round 10s and 10s of solicitors to access support. Very often, they miss out on support because of financial thresholds, or because their abusive partner finds a way to intervene to prevent them from accessing that assistance.

Given your equalities brief, do you share the concerns of this committee and the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee? What do you view as being your role in helping to drive forward the review in order to make a change? I appreciate what you say about not being able to compel solicitors, but there is clearly a role for the Government to work with SLAB to push that forward.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

I am conscious that my colleagues have questions, so I will stop there.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. The committee is particularly interested in the matter of access to legal aid, and work is being done on that across the Parliament, certainly in committees such as the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. It would be useful to get the minister’s view, first, on work that the Government is undertaking to reform legal aid. There is a short-term piece of work on that, but it is not as broad as people had hoped would be achieved in the Parliament. However, there is a commitment to a longer-term piece of work, which might involve legislative change. The consultation documents that the Government has produced do not seem to cover the issues that we are discussing around financial abuse and domestic abuse more widely. Does the minister see that as a priority, and how is she working to influence a wider review with her justice colleagues?