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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

If you could cover the point about lone parents, that would be really helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

It is encouraging that the cabinet secretary continues to seek engagement on the UK child poverty strategy, which is important. I note her comments about the delay to the strategy’s publication, but she will recognise that Governments often have to take more time in order to understand the work that they are doing. For example, publication of the Scottish Government’s medium-term financial strategy has been delayed again. The Finance and Public Administration Committee has had a number of things to say about that, and its delay has an impact on what we are discussing this morning.

The scope of the UK task force is very important. The cabinet secretary knows my view on the two-child limit: the UK Government should act on that. However, as with any task force, any proposed measures have to be paid for, and I think that that is part of the reason why more time is needed. The Scottish Government, which includes the cabinet secretary, has opposed all the UK Government’s budgetary and taxation decisions—all the revenue-raising measures in the budget have been opposed. I am keen to understand her view on how we should pay for some of the interventions if she is not in favour of the tax-raising measures in the UK budget.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Clearly, what happens at the moment is that people often fall through the gaps. You are describing what is perhaps a more comprehensive approach to make sure that that does not happen. When considering any disadvantages of a mixed model, are there still risks of gaps in provision and the most vulnerable not being able to readily access a service?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Throughout our inquiry, we have been looking at the mixed model as proposed in the Government’s discussion paper. We had a bit of a discussion with the previous panel on the finance and the money that is put into legal aid by the Government. Is it your view that a mixed model would save money?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

The Law Society gave evidence on its frustrations, but it also spoke about the opportunity that it sees because of where we are now and because things are beginning to move. It was hopeful that certain proposals, which I think it described as tweaks to the system, might be implemented in the summer, before the end of the parliamentary session. Are you working towards that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Okay. The committee will be keen to follow that up.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Over a number of weeks, including in this morning’s session, we have been discussing the mixed model of payment and delivery, which the Government’s discussion paper calls for. The sense is that it could address some of the issues of identifying and meeting needs in the current system. However, to help to inform our work, it would be useful to get a sense on what panel members’ feelings are about the advantages and disadvantages of that mixed model.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Obviously, there are concerns about the amount of money in the system in general, and the risk with any model is that people fall through the cracks. Can you say something about what the Government is doing to ensure sufficiency of funding? I take the point about trying to move to a multiyear settlement, but what is the Government doing to ensure that people do not fall through the cracks in a mixed model?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Funding is one part of reform, but there are larger issues. There are short-term issues and issues that appear to be longer-term, which might require legislation. Do you understand the frustrations that people have with the time that this has taken and will take? I appreciate that we need to get things right, but throughout our evidence taking, the committee has heard a degree of frustration with the slow pace and with us not achieving as much as we hoped to during this session of Parliament.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was a very comprehensive and helpful answer.