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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

That is fair. I infer from what you have said that there will be on-going work, even at that informal level, with consultees. That is welcome, and I am sure that this committee will want to reflect that in its legacy reporting.

I will move on to talk about compliance with the 2015 act. We know, from the evidence that we heard, that 62 per cent of listed authorities comply with statutory duties, with regard to BSL translations and their authority plans. What steps is the Government intending to take to improve compliance, which, at 62 per cent, is obviously not where we want it to be?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, Deputy First Minister. I have rejoined the committee at the concluding stage of this piece of work but was present for previous evidence sessions. In that evidence, we heard many views about the parity of esteem that BSL will be held in alongside Scotland’s other languages. Of course, nobody would want to set languages against one another. It is important that we recognise their richness and support them all.

However, we heard a lot of asks for there to be an oversight body for BSL, similar to Bòrd na Gàidhlig, which has an important role in supporting the Gaelic language as well as being able to speak a bit of truth to power and very often compel, if that is the right word, local authorities and others to deliver on Gaelic. You and I spoke about that issue in a previous evidence session, but has your thinking evolved with regard to whether it might be worth considering establishing a national body for BSL?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

That is welcome to hear, and I am sure that your position will be welcomed by those in the BSL community who gave evidence. I wonder about timing and the likelihood of action being taken, given that we are in a challenging timeframe, with the end of the parliamentary session approaching. What are the Government’s thoughts with regard to starting work on the recommendations before the election and then ensuring that there is a legacy piece? Do you have a view on how that might take shape? Would there be a consultation? I appreciate that it is hard to say, but I think that people will want a bit more detail on what the commitment is.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

That is quite comprehensive and I am conscious of time, so I will hand back to you, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Scottish Commission on Social Security

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. My questions will focus on the content of the annual report in terms of the funding and finance of SCoSS. From the 2023-24 annual report, we saw that expenditure would exceed the budget in 2024-25. That was not a huge overspend—it was £470,000 compared to the projected spend of £450,000. The committee is interested to know whether that has been resolved and whether there is a view about the financial sustainability of SCoSS going forward?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Scottish Commission on Social Security

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

Do you feel that you are now in a position where the budget planning process will be easier because—to borrow a phrase—known unknowns are perhaps lessened by where we are in the process of transfer? Are you finding that the engagement with the Government on your needs—saying, “Here is a need. How do we get to the budget figure that will work for us?”—is a communicative and open process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Scottish Commission on Social Security

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

It sounds as though, given the timing, with more and more people either accessing new benefits or being transferred to benefits, it is probably quite crucial that the lived experience piece is at the forefront of what you are doing.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Scottish Commission on Social Security

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

That is helpful. You referred to the increase in the secretariat, and it was good to hear Judith Paterson talk about getting up to full capacity with board members and those sorts of things. Has that changed the way that SCoSS works? I have heard that you feel that you are being efficient but also that you can respond to things. Is that the secretariat's role in particular?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

In that case, I am wondering about the legacy of regulation that will be held over from this parliamentary session until the next session. The minister is right to say that we have to go through an election and a Government has to be formed, but do officials have a view on the timescale for the work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Paul O'Kane

That will be useful to the committee when we write our legacy report to hand over to whoever comes next.

A number of non-Government amendments to the then Children (Scotland) Bill that were agreed to introduced various provisions, not least on child advocacy services under section 21 and alternative dispute resolution under sections 23 and 24. At the moment, there is no plan for implementing them. It would be useful if the Government placed on record its policy intention in relation to implementing those provisions. I appreciate that that will probably be done in the next parliamentary session, not this one.