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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Katy Clark

Exactly. The hope is that the provision would not be used, but there might be extreme cases in which the Information Commissioner felt that it was in the public interest for the matter to be taken forward.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Katy Clark

If it is okay, I will bring in Carole Ewart.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

Yes, of course.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

My question is about fire services. I hope that the cabinet secretary is making strong representations on that aspect of the budget. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service has advised that its total capital requirement to 2030-31 is £354 million and that, if its annual budget were to remain at £47 million over that period, there would be a gap of £119 million. The cabinet secretary will be well aware of the poor condition of much of the fire service’s estate and, indeed, the inadequate decontamination facilities that are available for many firefighters. Therefore, is it acceptable for there to be such a shortfall?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

As you say, Ash, there seems to be support for three pillars of your bill from what I will refer to as both sides of the argument. However, there seem to be quite conflicting views on the fourth pillar, which is the principle of criminalising the purchase of sex.

One of the arguments seems to be that criminalising purchasers might have the unintended consequence of placing people who continue to sell sex at greater risk. A specific issue that has been raised is that it would be difficult for checks to take place with potential clients, and the legislation is likely to lead to there being less time to carry out such checks. What is your response to that? Is there any validity in that argument?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

I have a final question. The cabinet secretary said that she had the full opportunity to consider the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s report. One point that was raised relates to the Scottish Government’s policy intention behind the introduction of the new power, which is to enable the time periods for release on home detention curfew or for release for removal from the UK to be fully aligned. However, the DPLR Committee has raised the issue that that is not necessarily how the proposed new power has been drafted, because it is not limited to enabling that alignment. Has the cabinet secretary considered whether the drafting of the legislation is wider than the policy intent? Has she taken advice on that? That point was made in the DPLR Committee’s report.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

I understand. Okay—that is fine. That did not go through a full scrutiny process, because it was a later amendment. You are satisfied that you are simply mirroring the previous legislation.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

I would not expect the cabinet secretary to be specific about that today. We have already heard reference to the police and fire services getting a less good share of the cake in the past than other parts of the sector have done. I am sure that she will accept that in recent years the fire service has made considerable savings, which I hope will be taken into account.

I also want to ask about funding for alternatives to custody and for justice social work—the cabinet secretary will be familiar with those areas. Written submissions from local authorities, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and Social Work Scotland have highlighted the impact of the increased complexity of their case loads and the dance that they are having to do without any related increases in their funding.

The cabinet secretary will also be well aware of the restrictions on funding for local government, which has a key role in the delivery of alternatives to custody. I know that she agrees that we need to do something about the rising prison population. Will she say how we will allocate more funding to ensure that justice social work and alternatives to custody are properly funded so that we can provide them as realistic options?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

What is available seems to vary across council areas. I fully understand the pressures that local government is under, but what is the cabinet secretary’s view on the availability of alternatives to custody? We have heard from sheriffs that sometimes they simply do not have faith in such alternatives. We have evidence—for example, from responses to freedom of information requests—of community service not happening. The same is true of electronic monitoring, even when it has been ordered by the court. Presumably that is because of resource problems. What is the cabinet secretary’s view on the resource implications of ensuring that robust alternatives to custody are available throughout Scotland?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Katy Clark

Perhaps we can look at that when we get the report.