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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

I have some questions about budgetary issues in relation to HMP Greenock. You outlined to Pauline McNeill the long lead-in times that projects can incur. There are plans for a new build in Inverclyde, but has any work started on that? On the current estate, will you outline the budgetary implications of the current fabric of HMP Greenock and the conditions that your staff and the prisoners are having to endure? I understand that substantial work is going on in relation to the walls. Will you give an update on that and the budgetary implications?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

I understand all of that. Can you say how much you have spent and how much you envisage spending? If it is the case that you are unable to do the work that you think is necessary, it would be helpful for the committee to understand that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Cabinet secretary, you will be aware of the campaign for additional funding from the Scottish Government for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service spearheaded by Fire Brigades Union Scotland, and no doubt you have seen its report “Firestorm—A Report into the Future of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service”. There has been a decade of real-terms cuts to the fire service and a lack of investment—particularly capital investment but also other investment—over many years, so what the service now faces is cumulative. Are we now legally exposed as a result of, for example, the failure to provide safe systems of work and the failure to have adequate decontamination available for firefighters?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

My question is on both. It is to do with the language that is used.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

It is not for every diet but is just for the initial appearance from custody. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

What does that mean in budgetary terms? There are two approaches—putting more money in, and trying to make better use of the money that is already there for that purpose. Are you putting in any more money? Are you able to do that, given all the pressures on you, or are you having to cut back in financial terms? Are you trying to do things better to make them more efficient? Will you explain the strategy briefly?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

That would be helpful. I appreciate that I may be asking, “How long is a piece of string?” However, it is clear that there is a disconnect and that the service has not been provided in the way that, I suspect, we would all like. I am sure that you could spend an unlimited amount on these things, but have you looked at how much it would cost to deliver an adequate service through programmes and other forms of rehabilitation? What amount should we be spending compared with what you are able to spend?

I completely understand that there are pressures on the service, particularly as prisoner numbers are increasing and are likely to continue to increase. I am not being critical, because I understand the pressures, but I am trying to understand what the disconnect is and whether you are actively engaging with it and working on it. Can you share that with the committee, perhaps in writing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

In 2019, the Parliament passed legislation that enabled the use of GPS electronic monitoring and bracelets that monitor alcohol use. Both of those technologies have the capacity and potential to reduce reoffending. I visited G4S relatively recently and I understand that it has not been asked to start work on those initiatives. I know that the cabinet secretary visited shortly before me, so I suspect that she has been looking at these issues. Is she now trying to get this work started?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

I will ask a general follow-up question on that. This Parliament passed that legislation in 2019, and a huge amount of scrutiny goes into legislation. The expectation from MSPs when we pass legislation is that it will be enacted pretty much immediately. However, it seems to be a theme that legislation gets passed and it is not necessarily enacted. Is the cabinet secretary concerned about that?