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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

I will ask a general follow-up question on that. This Parliament passed that legislation in 2019, and a huge amount of scrutiny goes into legislation. The expectation from MSPs when we pass legislation is that it will be enacted pretty much immediately. However, it seems to be a theme that legislation gets passed and it is not necessarily enacted. Is the cabinet secretary concerned about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

I am sorry that I cut you short, but we are tight for time. If you could share that information with the committee, that would be very much appreciated.

As you know, Scottish Government policy is very much in favour of rehabilitation. However, there is a disconnect between policy and what is happening both in the prison estate and outside it in other parts of the justice system. How is the Scottish Prison Service dealing with that? What are you doing to try to ensure that you can expand the rehabilitation programmes that are available within the prison estate? For example, we are often told that sex offenders who are voluntarily asking to have access to programmes and other forms of rehabilitation are unable to get that because it is just not there. Will you explain how you are trying to make that shift within the budgets that you have?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Will you focus on fire, because we will be coming to the other issues?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Do you accept that firefighters currently lack suitable decontamination facilities?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Firefighters have told me that guidance has not been issued. I understand that the guidance is being worked on, so perhaps the cabinet secretary could say when guidance will be issued by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. The service told the committee that its capital funding has remained at £32.5 million over the past seven years, yet it needs at least £60 million per annum of investment. Is that level of underfunding acceptable?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

It is to do with national jurisdiction for callings from custody. The cabinet secretary made specific mention of trials. To be absolutely clear, you are not talking just about the initial appearance from custody and this relates to all aspects of the criminal process. Pauline McNeill has already referred to agents, so presumably that would mean that witnesses would also have to go to a different part of the country to give evidence if this relates to all aspects of the criminal process. Can we have clarification of what “calling” means?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

Cabinet secretary, you will be aware of the campaign for additional funding from the Scottish Government for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service spearheaded by Fire Brigades Union Scotland, and no doubt you have seen its report “Firestorm—A Report into the Future of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service”. There has been a decade of real-terms cuts to the fire service and a lack of investment—particularly capital investment but also other investment—over many years, so what the service now faces is cumulative. Are we now legally exposed as a result of, for example, the failure to provide safe systems of work and the failure to have adequate decontamination available for firefighters?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

My question is on both. It is to do with the language that is used.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Katy Clark

It is not for every diet but is just for the initial appearance from custody. Thank you.