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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

We know the issues around human trafficking, but we also know that the prostitution industry is a multimillion-pound industry that profits from women. We have heard evidence in relation to that, and our witnesses have been very clear about poverty being a massive driver for women entering the industry. In terms of what the Parliament can do to support women, what other impactful measures would you suggest be included in the bill? For example, it has been suggested that there could be amendments that would allow women to work in groups as long as no profit was extracted by anyone else. Is that the kind of thing that you think the committee should consider?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

I am happy to leave my questions to the next evidence session to save time.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

I have a question for Niki Adams. You said that you felt that the model that is being proposed meant that the prostitute would have less time to check out the client. However, would completely decriminalising the regime for women not empower them in that situation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

It is clear that you are involved in a range of work, involving many agencies and individuals. As you say, you are also looking at the recommendations and attempting to implement them. I appreciate that you are not at the end of that work but, based on the work that you have done so far, what would you point to as being the major drivers for the increase of drug deaths?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

I understand. Is any further guidance likely to be provided for the implementation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

I want to ask about drug deaths in custody in prison. There are unacceptably high levels of drug deaths, and no death is acceptable. One witness told us that

“We have not looked enough at the drivers of the increased number of deaths in prisons.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 4 June 2025; c 47.]

It would be interesting to know whether you agree with that statement and to hear your thoughts on what the drivers are. Do the determinations of fatal accident inquiries give us some of the insights that we need? I appreciate that you have already referred to the rise in the strength of the drugs that are in prisons, cabinet secretary—I do not know who would be best to comment on that first.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

You made that point clearly, right at the beginning of the evidence session. Liam Kerr also raised the issue of overcrowding—we have heard evidence that the boredom that people face and the lack of meaningful activity are another driver that drives people to drugs.

We have heard evidence that toxicology results of drug tests can generally take up to 18 months, which can delay learning. Are you looking at that? Is that an accurate reflection of the situation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

That would be extremely helpful. Any further information about delays that could be addressed would be of interest to the committee.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

I agree that there should not be a gap in hate crime legislation, so it is quite right that the Scottish Government is coming forward with proposals. Leaving aside all the debates around the misogyny bill for now—I appreciate that we may come back to that in relation to new offences and that these proposals are perhaps a different and additional approach—I note that Engender thinks that

“the hate crimes model was not designed to address the nature and scale of”

violence and discrimination against women. Moreover, the working group said that it would be very difficult to prove that a specific act had happened based on sex.

Does the cabinet secretary agree with those points? If so, how has that element been taken into account in the drafting of the SSI? Has there been consideration as to whether it is simply a matter of slotting in the word “sex”, which seems to be the case in the SSI, or whether the matter needs to be addressed in a different way, with further redrafting? Did the cabinet secretary grapple with or have discussions with officials about the issue?