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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

The evidence in relation to proper resourcing is extremely helpful and is important for everybody in the debate to understand. However, many of us will be looking carefully at the provisions on paying for sex, because that is probably the area where there is the biggest divide in people’s views. We will be looking at what evidence we can find in relation to how that model or other models might impact on levels of prostitution, violence against women and human trafficking. I know that you have already said quite a bit about that in relation to other questions, but any further information that you can give us would be helpful.

The previous witnesses made a point about the impact of prostitution on wider society, and I think that we need to think about that carefully. How would you respond to the points that were made about the attitudes of prostitutes’ clients towards prostitutes and the more general issues about the objectification of women and the increased normalisation of pornography in our society? This Parliament has been considering the increased levels of sexism and misogyny, the attitudes of young men and young women, and what that means for society more generally—it is a massive issue. I am asking about what the Parliament tells people in Scotland is acceptable and the impact that that has on how people behave.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

We know the issues around human trafficking, but we also know that the prostitution industry is a multimillion-pound industry that profits from women. We have heard evidence in relation to that, and our witnesses have been very clear about poverty being a massive driver for women entering the industry. In terms of what the Parliament can do to support women, what other impactful measures would you suggest be included in the bill? For example, it has been suggested that there could be amendments that would allow women to work in groups as long as no profit was extracted by anyone else. Is that the kind of thing that you think the committee should consider?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

I am happy to leave my questions to the next evidence session to save time.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Katy Clark

I have a question for Niki Adams. You said that you felt that the model that is being proposed meant that the prostitute would have less time to check out the client. However, would completely decriminalising the regime for women not empower them in that situation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

It is clear that you are involved in a range of work, involving many agencies and individuals. As you say, you are also looking at the recommendations and attempting to implement them. I appreciate that you are not at the end of that work but, based on the work that you have done so far, what would you point to as being the major drivers for the increase of drug deaths?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

I understand. Is any further guidance likely to be provided for the implementation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

I want to ask about drug deaths in custody in prison. There are unacceptably high levels of drug deaths, and no death is acceptable. One witness told us that

“We have not looked enough at the drivers of the increased number of deaths in prisons.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 4 June 2025; c 47.]

It would be interesting to know whether you agree with that statement and to hear your thoughts on what the drivers are. Do the determinations of fatal accident inquiries give us some of the insights that we need? I appreciate that you have already referred to the rise in the strength of the drugs that are in prisons, cabinet secretary—I do not know who would be best to comment on that first.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

You made that point clearly, right at the beginning of the evidence session. Liam Kerr also raised the issue of overcrowding—we have heard evidence that the boredom that people face and the lack of meaningful activity are another driver that drives people to drugs.

We have heard evidence that toxicology results of drug tests can generally take up to 18 months, which can delay learning. Are you looking at that? Is that an accurate reflection of the situation?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Katy Clark

That would be extremely helpful. Any further information about delays that could be addressed would be of interest to the committee.