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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Non-surgical Procedures and Functions of Medical Reviewers (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Katy Clark

I appreciate that there has already been a consultation, so you will be keen to get legislation through before the election and the end of the parliamentary session. Would it not have been preferable to delay the bill or introduce a further bill once the implications of the internal market act were clear, so that the significant policy choices could be set out in primary legislation?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Non-surgical Procedures and Functions of Medical Reviewers (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Katy Clark

That is very helpful. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Katy Clark

It is really helpful to get your evidence about extended travel time. Can you say more about response times? It is very concerning that there seem to have been considerable increases in response times over recent years. The Fire and Rescue Service would say that there is a health warning with regard to response times: the response time is a statistic that relates to the first appliance arriving, when, sometimes, you need three appliances and the right configuration of firefighters and equipment before you can do what needs to be done. However, how concerned should we be about the significant increases in response times and the prediction that they will continue to increase?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Katy Clark

We are primarily looking at the service delivery review, but we are also looking at the budget. It is difficult to disentangle some of the issues that are involved with the two. I hear what you are saying about your concern that some of the proposals are primarily driven by a cuts agenda. You have clearly set out the challenge that we have in relation to response times, the number of firefighters and the number of appliances.

However, in committee meetings earlier in the parliamentary session, we heard strong evidence on decontamination. As an employer, the fire service has a duty of care towards its workforce to provide safe systems of work. It seems clear that that has not been happening. I know that you have done a lot of work on decontamination and that the service has relied quite heavily on your work. To what extent has that massive challenge been incorporated in the review? It must surely feed into some of the decisions. It would be interesting to get your perspective on whether the review captures the issue.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Katy Clark

Some elements of the bill would require further legislation to bring them into effect, including part 1—we have heard your evidence that that part might have unintended consequences and might not fit in well with existing systems. However, other aspects of the bill would not need further legislation.

From sitting on the committee, I know that quite a lot of the legislation that was passed in the previous parliamentary session still has not been implemented—for example, the Parliament focused yesterday on female genital mutilation legislation that has not been implemented. Even if we managed to pass the bill, it might be a long time before work was done on implementation.

Work is going on now on school education. We know that about one third of schools are signed up for the equally safe at school programme, but it looks as though that will mean different things in different parts of the country. I have heard the evidence about the scale of sexism, misogyny and violence in schools and how it has not been dealt with, so we cannot silo it into personal and social education and modern studies classes.

If we were to go ahead with mandatory school education on domestic abuse, would it be helpful to restrict it to domestic abuse alone, or would it need to be framed far more widely to cover sexism, misogyny and violence? We know that violence in schools—in particular against women staff and pupils—is a massive problem, against the backdrop of social media and the influence of the far right. If we were to go down the path of mandatory education, would it be helpful to frame it narrowly?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Katy Clark

Convener, would it be okay to ask a question about decontamination and the extent to which that is covered in the review?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Contract (Formation and Remedies) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Katy Clark

I was going to come on to that in my next question, but if you want to deal with those issues as a whole, that is fine.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Contract (Formation and Remedies) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Katy Clark

That would be fine. Your position, then, is that this is a codification of current law. There is no intention to change the law—this simply codifies what is already there.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Contract (Formation and Remedies) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Katy Clark

It is helpful that that has been put on the record.

On the provisions on the law of retention, I note that proposed new section 21A(4) states that the effects of retention

“must not be clearly disproportionate to the effects of the breach”

of contract. Can you clarify exactly what “clearly disproportionate” means? Why is that going to be included in the bill?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Contract (Formation and Remedies) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Katy Clark

Proposed new section 21D(b) gives courts the power

“to refuse the exercise of … retention where that … would be inequitable.”

Can you explain what is meant by that and what you envisage will be covered by that provision?