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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Russell Findlay

That might be beneficial to people—

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Russell Findlay

I have a question in response to the issue that was raised by Paul Sweeney—criticism of Police Scotland in relation to drugs consumption rooms. I was quite surprised by that, because my understanding was that Police Scotland has engaged with the Government and has been supportive of the proposal. I would be keen to hear your view on that.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Russell Findlay

I have a quick question about the drug consumption room pilot in Glasgow. Dr Saket Priyadarshi told the BBC that crack cocaine and any other substances that are smoked or inhaled were removed from the original plan because of the smoking ban. As far as I can see, that has had little pick-up.

Is that being reviewed? Are substances of that nature likely to be included? If so, does that raise potential questions about staff safety?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Thank you. I have a final question on drug checking services. Audrey Nicoll has already talked about them.

In a recent debate, you correctly said, minister, that there is no such thing as a safe consumption room—it is a safer consumption room. Some of the substances are inherently dangerous and there is no getting away from that. What I do not understand—this may be naivety on my part—is what the purpose of a drug testing or checking facility or service would be. Are you checking for the purity or the identity of the substance? If you then tell people that it is the substance that they believe it to be, is that essentially giving them a green light to take it when, in itself, it could pose a danger to them? What happens if you give a red light?

It all seems very confusing and a bit of a legal minefield. What work is being done to establish what the purpose of those services would be?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Russell Findlay

No, it is fine. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Russell Findlay

I intend to ask only one question, but it feels important to provide some details about a specific case with trauma-informed practice. I have been working with Leslie Jones—

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Absolutely, yes. I have been working with Leslie Jones, whose brother Tony was murdered. She attended the killer’s parole hearing and she was told to sit in silence. She objected to his release in writing, fearing for the safety of others. He was subsequently released. She was required to sign a gagging order not to discuss the hearing. Her brother’s killer was then recalled to prison, but Leslie was not told that nor allowed to know why. She found out only because he has another parole hearing. She is consumed by concern, not knowing whether he has harmed somebody else. She has had letters calling her brother “Anthony”, but that is not his name. She has had letters addressed to her dead father. She describes the parole process as secretive and she says that she is

“climbing the walls; the process is tormenting me”.

Leslie’s experiences are quite shocking but all too typical in some respects and they seriously call into question the issue of trauma-informed practice.

Are you confident that the bill will result in victims and their families being treated with dignity, compassion and respect or perhaps, as John Watt already suggested, a ground-up review of practices across the criminal justice agencies would be a better starting point?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Russell Findlay

The only reason why I went into detail was to illustrate how difficult it is for many victims and families. However, the more general point was whether the legislation in the bill will materially or practically fix a lot of these problems. Families like this one have their doubts.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Does anyone else have a view on that general question? If not, thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Perhaps the clerks can pass on the answer to us.