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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

The Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service expects that the most recent ruling on corroboration not being required in some rape cases will result in a significant number of new prosecutions. Has the Scottish Government analysed that in any way, and has it discussed with the SCTS that new workload and its cost?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

That seems slightly at odds with the information that we have in the documents, which says that fiscal fines are now being applied to a wider range of offences, but I will move on, because it is clear that people are not being told what offences they will be applied to.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Perhaps. In response to the point that the cabinet secretary made about people’s ideological opposition, I do not think that crime victims are ideologically opposed to such fines. They want to see justice being done and they want transparency. One of the concerns that many of them express is that, with these direct measures, little or no explanation is given to them as victims. You also make the point that the Crown Office rightly deals with prosecutorial matters, but here we are as parliamentarians discussing what those should be. It is not a question of it being entirely up to the Crown Office.

Going back to the point about the extension of the use of fiscal fines and their increase in value from £300 to £500, is there not an argument to be made that, if the Government wants this to be part of the legislative framework for the criminal justice system, it should be brought forward as stand-alone legislation rather than brought in by stealth using the Covid pandemic legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

I understand. Can I interject? I am sorry to interrupt but we have very little time. The staff indeed have concerns. For example, they will lose their body-worn cameras and they will go from an electronic human resources system for holidays and so on to the paper-based system that is used by the SPS, which seems regressive to me and to them. However, what I am surprised at, and they are surprised at, is that the SPS is sitting in front of us today unable to say how much the transfer will cost or how much the running costs will be. Can you explain that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Absolutely. That question was about the budget for HMP Kilmarnock but my next question is specifically about the budget for HMP Glasgow and the impact that that will have on the SPS. The SPS capital budget for 2024-25 was £192 million; for 2025-26 it will be £80 million; and—I have not done this in chronological order—for 2023-24 it is £97 million. The total for those three years is less than the projected or speculated cost of £400 million for the new HMP Glasgow. First, is £400 million the most up-to-date figure and how on earth can you expect to pay for it, given these sums?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Given the very real concerns around costs and the fact that we do not know how much the new prison will cost, are you having conversations with the Government about additional capital funding to meet the cost of HMP Glasgow?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

David Kennedy of the Scottish Police Federation has described policing in Scotland as having been “asset stripped” over the past decade, with more than 140 police stations being closed and a reduction in the number of officers. We have heard similar concerns in the past from the previous chief constable and others in policing. What does the Government intend to do to deal with the capital backlog in policing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

We can debate police officer numbers all day long and interpret statistics in our own way, but one thing that we can agree on is that, uniquely in the United Kingdom, Police Scotland officers do not have the protection of body-worn cameras. Provision of those was a commitment made by the First Minister on at least two occasions, but the most recent response with regard to the budget for Police Scotland is that it may not have the money to bring them in to give officers protection. Are you concerned about that specific area, and is there anything that can be done to assure officers that they will get those cameras?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Okay. Thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Russell Findlay

The SPS witnesses were also unable to tell us how much it would cost to transfer HMP Kilmarnock or the likely cost of running that prison. Has the Scottish Government done any financial analysis of that? Can that be shared with the committee?