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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

There is another line in the report, on page 59, which really jumped out at me. It says:

“Police Scotland does not yet have a clear purpose, vision or strategy for its continued provision of mental health-related policing services”.

That begs the question: why on earth not, given that it has been such a big issue for such a long time?

However, instead of asking that question, I will ask one final question about what the report does not cover. It is 80 pages long and it is all about the policing of mental health in the community, but it does not address the mental health of officers. That is not a criticism, but we have been working with police officers who have had often life-changing, career-ending mental health problems, and the families of officers who have died from suicide. There is a sense that the report should have at least attempted to address some of those issues, but it does not. Is HMICS intending to do that as a standalone piece of work at some point?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Okay. I have had dealings with the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland in relation to the specific case of a baby who died. I did not realise that they were perhaps going beyond their remit. I know that you cannot speak to that, but surely there will, due to the very nature of the criminal justice system, be cases that require the commissioner to engage and perhaps take action and make some form of immediate intervention.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

In general terms, is the financial memorandum that accompanies a bill always a work in progress, with the capacity to change as the bill evolves?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

With the full weight of the Government behind it, we could get it done.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Thank you. That is the nicest thing you have ever said to me. [Laughter.]

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

That brings us back to one of the questions that someone else asked about the Parole Board not being part of the bill’s remit, which you have already answered.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Right.

I think that Scottish Women’s Aid told us that there had not been any meaningful research in Scotland on this issue. There is research from elsewhere in the UK.

I noticed that you said that this would be a major piece of work, but I guess that the legislation is already a major piece of work, not least with regard to the controversial intent to have judge-only rape trials. Given that the issue would need to be consulted on, does that make any proposed amendment unrealistic at this stage? Is it too late?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

I will rattle through my questions as quickly as I can, because there is a lot to go at. Page 31 of the report states that police officers who attend A and E with someone who needs treatment are often left waiting and that they suspect that they are

“deliberately being provided an unprioritised service so they could remain in the hospital and provide a visible deterrent to disorder”.

In other words, police officers are being treated like national health service security guards and are therefore being removed from the streets, where they should be. I find that shocking. What is being done to address that with the NHS?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

So, Parliament would need to address any potential non-compliance—that would not be part of the bill, because that would be inconsistent with other commissioners.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Russell Findlay

Thank you. An extension of that is the view of the Crown Office and Police Scotland that the commissioner should not be allowed to become involved in individual cases. They claim that its doing so would potentially prejudice legal proceedings. Do you believe that it is reasonable and straightforward to empower the commissioner to act in certain cases without interfering with justice?