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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2024
Russell Findlay
When you were tasked with your role, which led to the proposed legislation that was born out of your report, you were not asked to appraise the costs, but the Scottish Government’s financial memorandum for the bill initially put the cost of what is being proposed at £1.4 million, and the Government has now reassessed that at £5.8 million. Some witnesses, including some from the Scottish Police Federation, think that it will be many multiples of that figure.
It is not your job to assess the costs, but is there an argument that whatever the cost of the proposals, within reason, it would be an investment in preserving public trust, protecting good officers and giving them the confidence to raise complaints and blow the whistle if need be?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2024
Russell Findlay
Good morning, Lady Elish.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2024
Russell Findlay
The witnesses whom we have heard from, some of whom have been whistleblowers, have experienced what has been described as a “weaponisation” of the process—it has been turned against them. We questioned the Scottish Police Federation a couple of weeks ago, and it has issues with the bill. It acknowledged that it was a problem that some of their members were suffering due to attempting to blow the whistle.
Without getting bogged down in the legislation, which you have not had a chance to properly scrutinise, I wonder whether, having spoken to witnesses, you have seen any evidence of a change in culture in Police Scotland in that regard.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2024
Russell Findlay
There was an example of that in Scotland recently, with Police Scotland reaching a settlement with a female officer from Moray, in the north of Scotland. She had attempted to report bullying and, indeed, criminality, but she found that others turned against her and her life was made a misery. It took many years.
I suppose that I am answering my own question in that the bill can attempt to remedy it, but the culture needs strong leadership.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2024
Russell Findlay
Absolutely.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 15 May 2024
Russell Findlay
In that case, you would have shared your information with someone else in the Crown Office.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 15 May 2024
Russell Findlay
However, if that does happen, it will come with a price tag, and we do not know what that will be.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 15 May 2024
Russell Findlay
As my colleague Sharon Dowey said, delays cause huge problems for complainers and, indeed, police officers. We heard from one officer whose case took 900 days from start to finish before he was cleared, and he also spoke of colleagues taking their own lives while they were the subject of complaints. When CAAPD has become aware of cases in which officers have died of suicide, have you liaised and shared that information with Crown Office colleagues?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 15 May 2024
Russell Findlay
The Crown Office website has, I think, been updated fairly recently to acknowledge the fact that some people might have a fundamental lack of trust—or confidence—in their complaint being properly advanced by Police Scotland. It is great that that is out there, but the fact is that you would ordinarily direct the same people back to Police Scotland.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 15 May 2024
Russell Findlay
And that decision is based entirely on the information that you get back being accurate.