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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I believe that, when you were conducting your review, you spoke to a number of witnesses, both members of the public and police officers, past and present, and I think that we have heard from some of the same individuals. In many cases involving police whistleblowers, careers have been destroyed, people’s health has been harmed—often for life—and they have suffered huge financial impact. In the cases that we have heard about, much of that was avoidable and good people were lost from policing. Does the bill do enough to protect whistleblowers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

When you were tasked with your role, which led to the proposed legislation that was born out of your report, you were not asked to appraise the costs, but the Scottish Government’s financial memorandum for the bill initially put the cost of what is being proposed at £1.4 million, and the Government has now reassessed that at £5.8 million. Some witnesses, including some from the Scottish Police Federation, think that it will be many multiples of that figure.

It is not your job to assess the costs, but is there an argument that whatever the cost of the proposals, within reason, it would be an investment in preserving public trust, protecting good officers and giving them the confidence to raise complaints and blow the whistle if need be?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Good morning, Lady Elish.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Yes, such as in medical, legal or social services. If there is sensitive information, the chair or judge can clear the room or put reporting restrictions in place.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Sure.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

In that case, you would have shared your information with someone else in the Crown Office.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

However, if that does happen, it will come with a price tag, and we do not know what that will be.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

As my colleague Sharon Dowey said, delays cause huge problems for complainers and, indeed, police officers. We heard from one officer whose case took 900 days from start to finish before he was cleared, and he also spoke of colleagues taking their own lives while they were the subject of complaints. When CAAPD has become aware of cases in which officers have died of suicide, have you liaised and shared that information with Crown Office colleagues?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The Crown Office website has, I think, been updated fairly recently to acknowledge the fact that some people might have a fundamental lack of trust—or confidence—in their complaint being properly advanced by Police Scotland. It is great that that is out there, but the fact is that you would ordinarily direct the same people back to Police Scotland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

And that decision is based entirely on the information that you get back being accurate.