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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Russell Findlay

According to Lynsey Smith, a list of the offenders who could potentially be released has been circulated to Police Scotland and the Risk Management Authority. Could the Government be more proactive and share that information with your organisations?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Does it not concern you slightly that Unison is saying that, if the duty of candour applies in that respect, all those civilian staff—6,000 of them—will be a regulated workforce in the same way as police officers are, and they will expect a pay rise?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

We have a strange situation in which the bill attempts to give the PIRC new powers, but the PIRC has told us that it is not able to have some powers for financial reasons, or that it does not want other powers. In respect of section 5 of the bill it said that “further detail is critical” and it strenuously opposes being given one particular function, which is the holding of senior officer gross misconduct cases. It says that it does not have the skills or resources to hold such cases, that there would be a lack of oversight of the PIRC, and even that such cases would impact on the PIRC’s ability to operate. Have you listened to those concerns and are you doing anything to address them in the legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

But does it not worry you to hear what Unison has said?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Okay—thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

One of the key recommendations that Dame Elish made was for the PIRC to be made answerable and accountable to the Parliament. That is not in the bill. Will you explain your thinking as to why that recommendation has been disregarded?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I have a general question, now. We heard evidence about good police officers’ careers being destroyed and innocent members of the public being treated like criminals. Often, the original failing is not the most important issue; it is the subsequent process that people experience. They often experience cover-ups, delays, disregard and weaponisation of the process.

During the past few weeks, we have also heard quite a bit from senior policing figures that they have been doing a great deal of work to change the culture. Are you confident that the bill will protect good officers and the public, or is there a fairly deeply ingrained culture in policing that the bill alone cannot fix?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

His Majesty’s chief inspector of constabulary told the committee that he would like the bill to include a provision whereby a chief constable would be able to sack officers, following due process. He said that he has been in discussion with the bill team for more than a year. Will that be included in the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

If I understand you correctly, you are sympathetic to the PIRC’s view that it should not be designated as a prescribed organisation for the purpose of whistleblowers. It wants to be a gateway rather than a particular recipient of whistleblower complaints.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Okay. Thank you.