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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

[Inaudible.] completely incompatible with the offer that was put to Rhona Malone. Her case was one of sexual discrimination, and an NDA was used in an attempt to settle confidentially, so that the public would be unaware of what transpired.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I have a quick follow-up question. If I understand correctly, in order to make radical changes to the structure, that would require political direction. On the basis of the structure as it is, do you have any thoughts about creating specialist legal provision to deal with what has been identified as a particular problem around domestic crimes?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I declare an interest, in that I am married to a serving police officer.

I thank our witnesses for coming. You have suggested that pay makes up something like 80 per cent of the overall budget. The previous pay award ran until April of this year, and I think that talks in respect of a new award are on-going—I think that there are to be talks tomorrow, in fact. If the award is agreed any time soon, it still would not happen until much before the end of the year, or, possibly sometime next year. What stage are the talks at? How confident are you of agreement? Given that officers have faced the pandemic and are now facing COP26—the 26th United Nations climate change conference of the parties—does that apparent delay not risk demoralising rank-and-file officers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Mr Gray, you said that non-disclosure agreements are mostly historical, but according to a media report this week, there have been seven in the past couple of years, all of which involved females—three officers, three civilians and one member of the public.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Figures have been reported for how much the policing of COP26 is expected to cost. The most recent one that I have seen is £250 million, which was reported at some point last year. To put that into perspective, it equates to a fifth of the entire Scottish policing annual budget. Can Police Scotland or the SPA tell us what the latest projection is?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

On a scale of one to 10, how confident are you that it will be agreed by the end of this year?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

That comes back to the question—

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I am sorry to interrupt again, but there is a contradiction between what you and Mr Gray are saying. As I understand it, Mr Gray is saying that NDAs are not compatible with and they have no place in Police Scotland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Legal Aid

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Russell Findlay

That is helpful. I understand the difference between fraud and questionable claims, but some of the language used in respect of those specific cases made it clear that they were fraudulent.

Why did those cases all appear to happen in the past 10 years or so? Was there a problem that we have now fixed or was it simply that the media did its job and identified it? What confidence can the public have that those abuses are not still happening, especially against the backdrop of what the profession is describing as a crisis in legal aid?

Criminal Justice Committee

Legal Aid

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Russell Findlay

Thank you. I suppose that my question is addressed initially to Ian Moir, who has already used the phrase “cry wolf”. The Martyn Evans report of 2018 paints a somewhat different picture. It refers to the facts that Scotland has the third highest legal aid spend per capita in Europe and that it funds more cases per 100,000 people than anywhere else in Europe. It refers to the Law Society of Scotland’s Otterburn report. Mr Evans might have been too polite to use the word “spin”, but he points out some of the ways in which that information was presented by the Law Society of Scotland as being somewhat questionable and selective. Is there not a risk that your doomsday warnings of today are very similar to those that we have heard in the past? Indeed, is it not just a question of the market being what it is and, to go back to your point, crying wolf?