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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I thank Peter Krykant, Becky Wood, Louise Stevenson and Natalie Logan MacLean for their testimonies, which were very moving. I express my condolences to Peter for his loss.

So far, much of our focus has been on what might be described as street-level drug use and drug dealing, but every single pill, rock or tenner bag comes from organised crime, and organised crime activities are estimated to cost the Scottish economy about £2 billion a year. That is a much-quoted figure, although I am not entirely sure where it comes from. According to the Crown Office’s submission to the committee, the value of proceeds of crime confiscation orders relating to drugs last year was about £1 million. It has long been said by many people who are involved in criminal justice that the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 has failed and is failing. Mr McGeehan and Mr Conway, do you agree with that interpretation? What can be done to improve the targeting of those at the high end of organised crime?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

That is helpful.

I wonder whether Mr Conway would like to answer that point from the police perspective. Is the proceeds of crime legislation robust enough, or could it be improved?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

According to a written submission to the committee, serious crime prevention orders, which I think were introduced in 2007, have been used on 70 occasions for those who have been convicted and on one occasion for someone who had not been convicted. Of those 70 who had the orders, 13 are now in the community and subject to monitoring. I presume that the other 57 will join them in due course. Does Police Scotland believe that it has sufficient resources to monitor those people effectively on their release?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

No problem.

Another issue is that the general direction of travel is to treat Scotland’s drugs problem—or drugs crisis—as a public health issue. As we know, however, a large number of serious organised criminals are making a lot of money out of the death of people across communities in Scotland and are inflicting violence on our streets. In one of the submissions that it made to the committee, the Crown Office lists a number of cases as examples of successful prosecutions against organised crime. One that stood out related to an individual who has not been identified—although it is apparent who it is just from googling—who has high-level links to organised crime, both in Scotland and overseas. The drugs that he was involved in had a multimillion-pound value. Ultimately, he was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment, which means, realistically, that he could be out after as little as four years. He is not a problem drug user, and this is not a public health issue—he is a high-level organised criminal. I just wonder, Mr McGeehan and Mr Conway, whether you think that the courts truly understand what needs to be done in respect of those people, who are making so much money from drugs.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Sure. I would be interested in knowing whether a stand-alone unit has the monitoring remit or whether it is put on to the divisions, which already have a lot of competing pressures and roles to fulfil.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I want to go back to the point about local firms competing for the same pot of money. We have heard previously from Scottish Women’s Aid about a lack of specialist solicitors in respect of offences in which women are victims. Is the direct employment of more solicitors by the board a likely direction of travel that will help to resolve that? Are you actively seeking to achieve that or—let us face it—are you up against the resistance of law firms and their lobby, who are pretty hostile to the idea?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Can I ask one question of the SPA?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

This is budgetary. It is on NDAs and it is for Mr Brown. Have you had any discussions with the police on the use of NDAs and how they can impact on budgets, or do you expect to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Are you exploring or have you explored the creation of a specialist provision within the framework that you already have?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I would like to ask about Police Scotland’s use of non-disclosure agreements, which, for people who are not aware of them, are used in the payment of compensation deals to keep the details of those pay-outs secret or confidential. It has been reported that the value of such claims has breached £1 million since 2013, and that raises serious questions about transparency and accountability for public money.

Just today, we heard about a successful tribunal claim that was brought by a female police officer called Rhona Malone. Her career was destroyed by what was described as a “boys’ club” culture. She had been offered a settlement on the condition that she signed a non-disclosure agreement. Mr Gray, are such agreements compatible with good governance, public confidence and accountability?