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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

You said that it was 660 grand for a fire engine. How much would a normal one cost?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

I appreciate that it is all largely speculative just now, but some of what you have spoken about will have real effects on police officers and members of the public. We are talking about 101 services potentially being suspended. As I understand it, in recent years murder inquiries have been the subject of investigations by major investigation teams—MITs—as a given. I suppose that only the chief constable could answer a specific question about an operational need to change that: only the chief constable or one of his senior officers would be able to answer much of what I would like to ask.

It was reported a month ago that the chief constable is pursuing other roles. Have you had discussions with him? Is that in any way connected to the budget projections?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Where is the chief constable today?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Sure, but dozens of forces elsewhere in the UK have managed to overcome similar challenges and have prioritised such spending.

The next issue that I want to ask about is to do with mental health. Lynn Brown has already touched on the fact that officers have to deal with people in the community who require mental health support and treatment. I am coming at the issue from a slightly different perspective—my concern is police officers’ mental health. We have heard very strong evidence on the pressures that officers are under and the struggles that they face, and how that can seriously impact on their wellbeing. There is a sense that they do not currently have the support that they need. There have been some absolutely tragic outcomes, with officers taking their own lives and others coming close to doing so.

If what is proposed comes to pass, even in part, that situation will only get a whole lot worse. What thought has been given to improving the support that is available for officers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Normally, as a committee, we try to avoid party-political issues, but I think it important to get on the record a response to the points that were made by Fulton MacGregor. The Scottish Government makes decisions about how it spends money. It is in receipt of a record £41 billion block grant from the UK Government. In June, the chief constable told the SPA that the Scottish Government had

“clearly set out its spending priorities”

and that

“Policing is not among those stated priorities”.

Perhaps that helps to give some context to the bigger financial picture.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Yes, to Addiewell and Kilmarnock.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

You have said that you cannot speak for the chief constable, but a lot of what is in your submission and what you have said to the committee will affect him and his officers. Is not it important that we hear from him directly?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Frankly, a lot of what we have heard and what you have said so far is terrifying, and I really appreciate your candour. It is necessary, but it cannot be easy to be so forthright with some of this stuff.

I have two separate questions, the first of which relates to body cameras. I suppose that they are an example of equipment issues and how the proposed budget will affect things.

In your opening statement, you said that body cameras have been rolled out pretty much universally in England and Wales and that, in fact, second-generation body cameras are now being used there. Despite the fact that the security guards in any supermarket will have body cameras, Police Scotland has only around 500 such devices, most of which are with armed officers. The level of provision seems pretty basic.

Given that we now face really serious financial pressures, is there not an element of your not having fixed the roof when the sun was shining? Is there not a sense that a huge opportunity has been missed and that someone somewhere should have prioritised the provision of body cameras or found the money to make that happen?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

More generally, you also mentioned that 23 scenarios have been modelled, which sounds like the equivalent of wandering through a smoke-filled room. I presume that those go from one extreme to the other, and include everything in between. Do they include worst-case scenario things such as ending the policy on no compulsory redundancies, or is that off the table?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Is that particular policy set in stone as far as the service is concerned?