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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Going forwards.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

So, should we expect to see a reversal of the proposals in Glasgow and Edinburgh?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am sorry; I did not catch that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I want to separate out “protest”—which is people with placards and pictures and shouting and screaming—and “silent prayer”. They are two very different things. Everyone we heard from said that protest, in the form that I described, is unacceptable. The silent prayer part is where people disagree. When I asked the police, they said that they would not ask why somebody was there, and that they certainly would not ask what they were thinking or whether they were praying. If the police are not going to enforce it in any way, which is what it sounded like, could you explain having that in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

You have referred to the letter from the Law Society. I will paraphrase what it says. Towards the end, it says that you could include the overarching principles in the bill to make it clearer. Might you be willing to do that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Finally, medicine moves on and things change. We now see women accessing abortion services in very different ways than they did only 10 years ago, for example. GPs and pharmacies provide services, along with other places. The bill allows scope for expansion into those areas, and we heard from the minister that that enables a flexible approach. However, if you were to expand the legislation to cover GP and pharmacy services at 200m, a lot of Scotland would be covered, which would be very different to your tightly drawn-up list of 30 sites. What reassurances do we have that such scenarios would not happen?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

The bill talks about intentionally or recklessly influencing another person. Would the bill cover staff who go to work for a completely different reason but who are, as we have heard in evidence, affected by abortion protests?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Imagine that I am going to work in haematology and I find myself upset by an abortion protest outside the hospital. Would the bill cover my being upset by that, even if I was not influenced by it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

In your opening statement, you talked about protests. I want to separate out traditional protests, involving placards and shouting, because we have heard clear evidence that no one is in favour of that.

I want to come to the issue of silent prayer, which I directly asked the police about. They said that they would not ask someone why they were there if they were standing silently, and that they would certainly not ask what they were praying or thinking about. The police do not want to get into that. Given that the bill includes silent prayer, but that it does not seem as though the police would do anything about that, I am a bit confused as to how that would work in practice.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you for coming, minister. I declare an interest as a practising general practitioner in the national health service.

I have a few questions. My primary concern comes from evidence that I have heard about the right to protest for other reasons. When the police and a defence solicitor were here, I specifically asked about our right to go, for instance, to a hospital to protest against Eljamel to say that what he did was unacceptable. There was also some discussion about situations where an employer was trying to prevent some protest from happening because they did not like it.

The bill talks about intentionally or recklessly influencing someone’s decision. We have seen people outside Parliament protesting against Eljamel who have been wearing scrubs with blood on them, and I suppose that, from a distance, one could be concerned. That might be deemed to be “reckless” in relation to influencing people. What is your take on the fact that the police and the solicitor said that the bill would prevent other forms of protest?