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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that the requirement in the legislation for CSPs to involve interagency work—notwithstanding how important such work is, which I will come to in a minute—restricts some people’s ability to access CSPs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Given that a CSP is largely available for people who have complex needs and that “complex” usually means that it is necessary for social work or another agency to be involved, do you think that there needs to be a plan for people who do not always require the involvement of other agencies? Could there be a CSP for such people simply in relation to education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How does the tribunal address a lack of support from other services that are not education related? Is that an area in which you think that the scope could be widened?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That was fascinating and reminded me of a previous life, when I looked into disability discrimination and internalised ableism. There is a connection between that and the points that you have made.

You talked about placing requests and the reasons that local authorities give for not granting such requests. How many of those cases involve the local authority saying that it cannot afford to have the child in mainstream education?

I ask that because a lot of what I have heard through my casework shows that, when parents apply for a placement in special education if they are really concerned that the support that their young person needs is not available in mainstream education, the school refuses the application for various reasons. There is not the necessary support in mainstream education, because of the costs associated with that, so we would expect the number of requests for pupils not to be in mainstream education to increase. I am trying to make the point that I would expect more local authorities to say that it is too expensive to teach certain pupils in the mainstream environment. Do you see that happening?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me; I am sorry. That was unintentional. I was just responding to the point about placing requests.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

First, convener, I apologise for stepping across Bill Kidd’s area of questioning earlier. It was genuinely unintentional.

On the CSP, which we were just beginning to discuss, parents and pupils tell us that it is really difficult to get something written down or a plan of action to put in place the support that young people need. School staff tell us that although all sorts of things are written down—obviously there are issues around workload and so on—the fact is that only one plan has a statutory footing, and that is of course the CSP. How important is that statutory footing, notwithstanding the limitations on the CSP, which I will come on to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The rules around the CSP say that the education authority’s view must be taken into consideration and is needed. Do you think that that should also include the views of the young person?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Before I asked my earlier question, I should have said that I welcome you to the meeting. Thank you for all the information that you have given us in advance and for what you have shared with us in the meeting, which is really crucial. I will start with a general question, if that is all right, which I will direct to Suzi Martin and Deborah Best.

The first action in the Scottish Government’s action plan for pupils with additional support needs is to have a vision for pupils, which is that:

“school should help”

them to

“be the best they can be. School is a place where children and young people learn, socialise and become prepared for life beyond school.”

Do you think that that is happening? If not, why not?

I might have another supplementary question, but I will wait to see how we get on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Can I ask one more question?