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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I probably mean for both, if I am honest. However, in this context, we are talking about widening-access students. In its evidence, Universities Scotland said:

“We heard from the commissioner that there is a recognition in other countries that increased needs require increased investment”,

but that

“That is not necessarily what happens in Scotland.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 26 February 2025; c 43.]

Therefore, it is probably about that group of people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Take 2.

Minister, at the beginning of this evidence session you announced a consultation on two specific groups of students, if I remember rightly. Can you tell us a bit more about what that consultation seeks to ask and find out? What will you do with its results?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that the support is sufficient for people who need support to get through university, to fund the additional costs that they might have, or do you need to look again at how student support is targeted?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Would it be possible to look at that aspect? You say that you do not know whether people are leaving because of a positive reason, such as taking employment, or to go elsewhere. How big a task would it be to start gathering that information?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Finally, submissions from the Open University, UWS and others have mentioned the value of part-time studying. We heard about that this morning. Obviously, the part-time fee grant, which is available only to those earning under £25,000, has not been reviewed in a while. Is the Government considering a review of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning and thank you for the information that you have shared with us so far. First, I will ask some more questions in the space that we have been just been discussing.

We have heard from a lot of witnesses that free school meals data, for example, would be a useful measure of individual fair access and that there is legislation in place across other parts of the United Kingdom, such as England and Wales, where data can be shared with UCAS to allow that. We also heard that it would be difficult to scale up the current pilot in the north-east.

On that basis—although I do not want to step on other members’ toes—could you tell us a bit about what you are doing to improve data analysis around fair access?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to ask about one of the things that you announced earlier, minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, and thank you for the offer to work together. I would be happy to take up that offer.

Last week, Rebecca Scarlett from Lead Scotland gave evidence. It is important to repeat what she said about the review of support for disabled students that was carried out in 2019 and reported in 2023. Rebecca said that disabled students had

“put a huge amount of resource, energy and time into the review.”

She went on to say:

“The report, which was finally released in 2023, made a ream of recommendations, almost none of which has been implemented. I know that Scottish university heads submitted a request to the Scottish Government that that be taken forward, but next to nothing has happened. Nothing has changed, even in relation to the smallest recommendations that were made, and now the work is all out of date. All that energy, resource and time were invested, but nothing has happened, which is extremely frustrating.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 26 February 2025; c 44-5.]

What will be different this time? Can the minister reassure organisations that engaging this time will result in change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The UWS example is a good one, and it speaks to the point from my colleague earlier about having to say only once that you need something, doing so early and having the time to do that. You recognised that, if people do not have their conditional offer in time, there is not much time to do that, so the example is useful.

You talked earlier about some students not necessarily staying on and leaving education for other reasons—perhaps to go and take work for financial reasons—rather than what might be best for their future career prospects. The National Union of Students Scotland published a report saying that education is free, which we all support, but that studying is not. On that basis and in that context, do you think that the current way in which spending on student support is structured means that it reaches the students who need it the most?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.