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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If the issue is just about the definition, could the amendment be supported at stage 2 and the definition be added at stage 3?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does the cabinet secretary recognise that trade unions already have representatives on boards, such as is being proposed here, and that they are well versed in managing those kinds of conflicts of interest and could be a beneficial addition because they work in the organisation, they have direct experience of what it is like to work in that organisation and they represent the trade union? Does the cabinet secretary not recognise that those members are well placed to manage such a conflict of interest but also to bring that richness of information about what it is like to work there?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Given the difference, I do not think that it would be beyond the will or wit of Government to move staff with the necessary capabilities.

Moreover, surely it is sensible to put accreditation in the office of the chief inspector rather than leave it in the qualifications body, where there would be zero difference and which is far more about marking its own homework. The cabinet secretary appears to be suggesting that there is a difference, so that could be a useful separation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sure that I will have an opportunity to explain a wee bit more shortly, but does the cabinet secretary accept that the Government’s chosen expert—Professor Ken Muir, who published a report on the matter—does not share the concerns about those two functions being in the same body? Why does the Government not agree with the expert?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have to say that I share the member’s concerns about the willingness to do anything different at stage 3. I do not think that the cabinet secretary has indicated at all that any of the other options for change will be considered—[Interruption.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does the cabinet secretary accept that the United Kingdom budget provided the largest budget settlement for the Scottish Government since devolution? People watching will be wondering: if not now, in these circumstances, when?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. Thank you for joining us.

There is no doubt that people watching today will be disappointed that, although the Government came into office in 2021 having promised in its manifesto to provide free school meals for children in primaries 1 to 7, the committee is being asked to accept the fact that the Government has failed to meet that commitment and to accept, instead, a second-best option. Does the cabinet secretary agree?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The issue is not so much about the pilot and its scalability at this point, as the pilot is still on-going. The point is that, during the process, organisations said that one of the issues that would always make the work difficult to do, even if the pilot was found to be good and useful, was that there is not an ease of data sharing.

We are trying to get a commitment from the cabinet secretary. We have previously been under the impression that the Government was considering the idea of a unique learner number. That was for a number of reasons, not least in the light of the Hayward review and in relation to the issue that we are discussing today. That is why I have raised the matter today, when we are talking about data sharing.

To be really clear, can the cabinet secretary confirm that the Government will now engage the Information Commissioner in considering whether a unique learner number would potentially be something that it could bring in, for data sharing and for other purposes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry, but I am finding this a little bit frustrating. I am not talking about any action that the Government takes on this being contingent on the learning from the pilot. In the discussion that the committee had, it was put to us that the ULN could be one solution not only in relation to the pilot in the north-east but in other areas, including in relation to what Hayward suggested in the review.

The minister said, “We have looked at it, but we cannot do it, but we are not sure why we cannot do it”—I have to say that he was not all that clear—but now, the Information Commissioner’s Office has said that the Government has not discussed the matter with it. I am trying to get some recognition of that and to give the Government an opportunity to say that it will now consider the suggestion, given that there was some acceptance from the minister that it might be useful. In fact, the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise also said that.

This is an opportunity for the Government to say that it will look at the matter and will engage with the Information Commissioner’s Office, regardless of what happens with the pilot. The pilot could be helpful in that regard, but pursuing the ULN issue is not necessarily contingent on the pilot.