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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, minister, but I want to understand what is happening.

We know that work is continuing—the minister and the Government regularly describe the on-going work. The fact remains, however, that a high number of pupils are still struggling to access outdoor learning because of the lack of support and the barriers that the NASUWT highlighted to the committee.

Should the bill be passed, has the Government made any plans to implement it in order to see some of the changes that are required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Has it made any plans for implementation, if the bill is passed, as part of the solution to the problems that we are discussing?

If the bill is passed to make change happen, rather than just having the existing strategies and systems that the Government is speaking about, it could drive the change that is required. Has the Government made any plans for how it would be implemented?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Would the minister accept that more needs to be done for pupils with additional support needs, regardless of whether the bill is passed?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me. I was asking about outdoor learning in general.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In the information that we got in advance of today’s meeting, we heard that Disclosure Scotland had used a range of communications channels to provide information about the new requirements. We have heard about the timescale that has already passed. What has that communication and engagement been doing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Finally, do you think that the on-going work that you have highlighted is the be-all and end-all in this regard?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How are those barriers affecting your members currently?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning and thank you for your evidence so far. I want to pick up a little bit on John Mason’s points about the buildings but also to go back to the point that Ms Fallon made earlier about pastoral care and, specifically, the provision for people with additional support needs. The committee has received evidence on this. For example, PGL Travel said:

“the issue really arises around the ability to house young people with more severe disabilities overnight, facilities simply do not exist in enough numbers currently”.

Glasgow City Council said:

“The bill also needs to take into account children with ASN, who have complex needs and would require significant support, adaptations to centres, specialist equipment and adapted beds, as well as the additional costs”.

So you get the picture. I would be very keen—and I say this as someone who has been to outdoor residentials at school, which was obviously only last week. I really enjoyed it, and I am pleased to hear that we are not putting people in canoes now and seeing how they get on, because it is safe to say that I did not do well in a canoe. What is your response in general to the concerns about the reality of supporting the wide breadth of pupils you need to support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is a great story and it is reflective of my experience as well. It is incredibly important—absolutely. Local places do not always give that support to children and young people, so it is crucial. What is the ceiling and what would you need to break it?