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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is okay, convener. I was about to make a similar point. Nobody really wants to end up at a tribunal. Parents, local authorities, young people and even you, I am sure, do not want to end up there, but the reality is that, in some cases, that is what needs to happen. That mechanism is there because there must be something that enables people to uphold their rights. Are you considering what you can do to bring some systemic policy change to light, in the absence of what might otherwise be a relatively valuable legal ruling?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The issue is not so much about the pilot and its scalability at this point, as the pilot is still on-going. The point is that, during the process, organisations said that one of the issues that would always make the work difficult to do, even if the pilot was found to be good and useful, was that there is not an ease of data sharing.

We are trying to get a commitment from the cabinet secretary. We have previously been under the impression that the Government was considering the idea of a unique learner number. That was for a number of reasons, not least in the light of the Hayward review and in relation to the issue that we are discussing today. That is why I have raised the matter today, when we are talking about data sharing.

To be really clear, can the cabinet secretary confirm that the Government will now engage the Information Commissioner in considering whether a unique learner number would potentially be something that it could bring in, for data sharing and for other purposes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry, but I am finding this a little bit frustrating. I am not talking about any action that the Government takes on this being contingent on the learning from the pilot. In the discussion that the committee had, it was put to us that the ULN could be one solution not only in relation to the pilot in the north-east but in other areas, including in relation to what Hayward suggested in the review.

The minister said, “We have looked at it, but we cannot do it, but we are not sure why we cannot do it”—I have to say that he was not all that clear—but now, the Information Commissioner’s Office has said that the Government has not discussed the matter with it. I am trying to get some recognition of that and to give the Government an opportunity to say that it will now consider the suggestion, given that there was some acceptance from the minister that it might be useful. In fact, the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise also said that.

This is an opportunity for the Government to say that it will look at the matter and will engage with the Information Commissioner’s Office, regardless of what happens with the pilot. The pilot could be helpful in that regard, but pursuing the ULN issue is not necessarily contingent on the pilot.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful—thank you. You mentioned that a couple of the cases that you have looked at were settled so they did not necessarily change policy or strategically change the picture. Will you tell us a bit on the record about what you were concerned about and what you saw happening?

12:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you able to share that sifting tool with the committee, or would that be difficult?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does anyone else on the panel have anything to add on that before I ask my final question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We received a letter from the Information Commissioner’s Office, which said:

“The committee should note that we have not, to date, had any discussions with the Scottish Government, local authorities or institutions on how data can be shared fairly and proportionately to support widening access to university ... Nor have we had any engagement with the Scottish Government on the Data Protection considerations associated with establishing an identifier like the ULN.”

I was surprised to read that, given the undertakings that we have had about the Government’s willingness to consider a unique learner number. Will you now engage with an open mind with a view to progressing that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does the cabinet secretary accept that the United Kingdom budget provided the largest budget settlement for the Scottish Government since devolution? People watching will be wondering: if not now, in these circumstances, when?

10:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. Thank you for joining us.

There is no doubt that people watching today will be disappointed that, although the Government came into office in 2021 having promised in its manifesto to provide free school meals for children in primaries 1 to 7, the committee is being asked to accept the fact that the Government has failed to meet that commitment and to accept, instead, a second-best option. Does the cabinet secretary agree?