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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the point about the definition, I think that, if the substantive amendment was accepted, we could add a definition at stage 3. It does not have to be a case of either/or. However, can the cabinet secretary give me a bit more detail on her point about the specific wording and her concern that it would not do what I am trying to do? Can she say more about what would be needed at stage 3 so that I can understand what she is, I think, offering to undertake?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sorry. If there were a mechanism for that, I would enjoy the back-and-forth.

I worry about this. I understand the point that has been made about Ross Greer’s position. However, I have to say to my colleague Willie Rennie that I am still a bit disappointed that we are in the position that we are in, which is that there are options for change on the table just now that, if Ross Greer and others were really minded to do so, they could support. I am a team player, I understand what Willie Rennie and Ross Greer are proposing and I accept that there needs to be discussion. However, I put on the record that I am disappointed that it appears that we cannot have that discussion now and that, in choosing not to agree to the amendments, members have actively decided not to make the decision for change. I am disappointed about that, and I would like to hear Willie Rennie’s response to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I would hope that the Government would be able to work with us to look at such aspects of implementation. However, I am not prepared to accept that any delay here is the committee’s or Opposition members’ burden to bear. It is the Government’s burden, because the bill has been introduced according to the Government’s timetable. It has been delayed in the past, it has taken far too long to get here, and the fact that it needs more than 300 amendments is unfortunate. Had the bill been stronger, and had it built on the recommendations and suggestions in the expert reports, we would not be in this position and the Government, with its resource, capacity and great expertise, would have been able to answer all of these questions before we got to this stage.

My amendment 295 would place the accreditation function with curriculum Scotland because that agency would, I think, be able to drive forward the changes that we need in the curriculum.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Curriculum Scotland would contain many of the functions of Education Scotland, along with the improvement function that Ken Muir spoke about and the SQA’s accreditation and regulation directorate. That would bring coherence to the education landscape as opposed to cluttering it, and there would be scope to move current functions and the resources that are associated with them. I take the member’s points about cost.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I take the point that, as the cabinet secretary and Ross Greer have said, that function has already been created in the SQA, but that is after a significant amount of concern was expressed about the organisation, after various problems with exams—I will not rehearse them, but they started in 2020 and continued in relation to the history exams. Does the cabinet secretary accept that, rather than leaving whatever replaces the SQA to create a preferable structure in the midst of a crisis, it would be better to properly set up that new structure in legislation, so that we have the right kind of structure from the beginning?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On co-ordinated support plans, do you have any understanding of why there is such underuse? What is your understanding of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On that, in the report that was published earlier in the week, the commissioner mentions concerns about informal exclusions. Would you consider that to be an informal exclusion?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sorry, but I think that I stopped you as you were discussing some of the cases. Are there any other examples that you can put on the record?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We spoke a moment ago about youth work and participation. One of the things that you said in the report that you published this week was that you think that the inspector should have a role in examining what inspected establishments are doing on participation. How would that work, and how important is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We have often heard in the chamber and other places—and parents have been told this as well—that a diagnosis is not needed for young people to get support, but in reality parents do need that. What is your opinion on that?