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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am asking about leavers’ qualifications, as opposed to initial destinations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

This exchange is extraordinary. It is really odd that we are being asked to vote on the order when we do not yet know the shape of the board that the Government will be asked to recruit to, because stage 2 could bring many amendments that would add other people.

I have many questions. My first is on the recruitment. Should the motion on the order be agreed to today, does the cabinet secretary consider that she will, for example, appoint to the board a member of a trade union?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

However, when it comes to the process that you are asking us to agree to today, you do not know who you will recruit, to what particular board function you will recruit them, or how many people you will recruit. Or, do you know any of those things?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sorry—I mean the board of qualifications Scotland. You are right. I misspoke. You do not yet know how many board members you will need to recruit through the process, because that could change at stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As the discussion has continued, I have realised that, as well as the composition of the board, some of the amendments that might come at stage 2 could be about splitting the functions of the organisation for which you are seeking to create a board. If the functions were split—for example, if the accreditation function was taken out of qualifications Scotland—would you be recruiting to an organisation that is very different to the one that the order allows? Would you be recruiting for a position that exists? Would you be recruiting for a job that does not exist? It does not make much sense to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Can the cabinet secretary tell us how many teachers are employed on temporary contracts using PEF?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It relates to PEF as well as the attainment challenge, because it is important to have staff in schools, and if the staff do not feel secure in their role it is difficult for them to pass that feeling of security on to children and young people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The cabinet secretary is well aware of the reasons for that.

Finally on PEF, I met a headteacher in my Glasgow region last week. She said that the school that she looks after has a great number of needs but is struggling to get an associated allocation of PEF because of the way in which the funding is distributed. When will the allocation of PEF—including the way in which it is allocated—be reviewed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the point about using SIMD and more specific data, we had the same discussion last week in relation to widening access to university and college education. Can the cabinet secretary state briefly whether she supports a national data-gathering and collective agreement so that that level of data can be shared across colleges and universities? That would enable them to use more granular data.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I mean suggestions on measuring progress, achievement and attainment and how to do so. I am not sure that the Government has made enough progress in those areas.

My point was specifically about the gaps between pupils leaving school after doing Scottish credit and qualifications framework levels 4, 5 and 6, which are growing.